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Old 06-25-2013, 05:31 PM
 
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Buchanan has become the new hero to the slackjawed rednecks.

 
Old 06-30-2013, 01:35 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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lol why can't stupid lefties see what is right in front of their eyes? I lived in Chicago and now Arizona. Those 2 places are where I developed my views on illegal immigration. There is not a single positive of granting amnesty to 12 million illegas. That is unless you want the US demographics to be more like mexico's.
That is what they want, to create a massive underclass sole dependent on the government for hands, who will vote them in and keep them in forever.
 
Old 06-30-2013, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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Yes, it is true that the ethnocentric factor in this illegal immigration mess has an agenda to Hispanicize this country. Massive illegal immigration from south of our border helps them achieve their agenda. I guess it isn't enough that Hispanics are the dominant ethnic group in 23 countries on the Western Hemisphere. They want more.
neo feudalism, they want a massive underclass too dumb, poor, and dependent on hand out to vote in anyone else, that is why they are importing the 3rd world they will "cast votes Americans don't want to cast"
 
Old 06-30-2013, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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Buchanan has become the new hero to the slackjawed rednecks.
I thought Liberals were tolerant?
 
Old 06-30-2013, 01:42 PM
 
Location: texas
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lol why can't stupid lefties see what is right in front of their eyes? I lived in Chicago and now Arizona. Those 2 places are where I developed my views on illegal immigration. There is not a single positive of granting amnesty to 12 million illegas. That is unless you want the US demographics to be more like mexico's.
The point you failed to assess on your tour of America...Is that those folk are already here. You may delay their assimilation fully into the American society, but the following generation will.

What you fear has already happened.
 
Old 06-30-2013, 01:44 PM
 
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Notice that the illegals will not have to give up their own nation's citizenship to take on US citizenship? They can remain 100% patriotic to their own country, while getting in on the great Blue-Light special called US citizenship that will entitle them to all kinds of nice government handouts here including nice big juicy Social Security checks when they retire.
 
Old 06-30-2013, 01:49 PM
 
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The point you failed to assess on your tour of America...Is that those folk are already here. You may delay their assimilation fully into the American society, but the following generation will.

What you fear has already happened.
They're here picking lettuce in 120 degree heat and cleaning toilets for $5 an hour, doing all those illegally paying hard work jobs that Americans don't want to do, and they're not at all assimilated.

Make them legal and they will not longer want to pick lettuce in 120 degree heat or clean toilets for less than minimum wage -- you know what amnesty does for them - it makes them legal and they can leave the fields and start grabbing up all kinds of jobs that Americans do want.

What this bill does is dumps 11 to 30 million more LEGAL workers into the legal labor pool, it gives those who are now here illegally the right to take jobs that Americans need. It in fact makes them ineligible for the jobs they currently hold that pay them very low.

Do you really believe your neighbors with the illegal live-in nanny they pay $200 cash a week will suddenly start paying her minimum wage with social security taxes and workman's comp on top? No -- they'll just find another illegal and their former illegal will be looking for a job in a store or somewhere better.
 
Old 06-30-2013, 01:52 PM
 
Location: texas
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Notice that the illegals will not have to give up their own nation's citizenship to take on US citizenship? They can remain 100% patriotic to their own country, while getting in on the great Blue-Light special called US citizenship that will entitle them to all kinds of nice government handouts here including nice big juicy Social Security checks when they retire.
If they become US Citizens and pay into the system and earn thier 40 credits...what is the problem?
 
Old 06-30-2013, 02:01 PM
 
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If they become US Citizens and pay into the system and earn thier 40 credits...what is the problem?
The fact that many millions of unemployed Americans will be permanently denied the chance to do that.

And these low skilled illegals will at best make minimum wage even after legalized and still qualify for Medicaid, food stamps and big hefty EITC checks.

And of course the millions replacements who will be then brought in to do the low wage hard work kinds of jobs that Americans and amnestied illegals think they're too good to do.
 
Old 06-30-2013, 02:03 PM
 
Location: texas
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They're here picking lettuce in 120 degree heat and cleaning toilets for $5 an hour, doing all those illegally paying hard work jobs that Americans don't want to do, and they're not at all assimilated.

Make them legal and they will not longer want to pick lettuce in 120 degree heat or clean toilets for less than minimum wage -- you know what amnesty does for them - it makes them legal and they can leave the fields and start grabbing up all kinds of jobs that Americans do want.

What this bill does is dumps 11 to 30 million more LEGAL workers into the legal labor pool, it gives those who are now here illegally the right to take jobs that Americans need. It in fact makes them ineligible for the jobs they currently hold that pay them very low.

Do you really believe your neighbors with the illegal live-in nanny they pay $200 cash a week will suddenly start paying her minimum wage with social security taxes and workman's comp on top? No -- they'll just find another illegal and their former illegal will be looking for a job in a store or somewhere better.
It would be advantageous to you if you read a summry of the current provision. One provision is a guest worker program, in which farm labor comes to work and goes home.

There is no provision for amnesty, they would recieve temporary lawful status. no legalization happens until they are eligible for a green card.

Isn't it your side that says that farm work makes up a very small percentage of jobs currently done by illegal aleins. And furthermore, there are legal aliens doing farm work now...In the 120 heat.

If CIR passes, E-verify will be the law of the land...so if employer wants to risk fines and/or imprisonment..that is on them.
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