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The fact is there is so much contradictory evidence and no smoking gun. You can take either side and run with it. The only thing I know for certain is there is too much reasonable doubt for a guilty verdict, that does not mean GZ is innocent.
As of now I agree but I am waiting for the ME and I can't get passed the part of GZ lying. If it went down the way it said why did he keep changing facts. I would think that if you had nothing to hide you wouldn't need to lie.
Seems clear you have never had much communication with people who are different from you physically and culturally. I understand completely what she meant by "hearing wet grass"....she just didn't know how to communicate or describe the actual sounds she heard. The prosecution could definitely have helped her out a bit with that but they didn't. At one point I think she did say it was a "thud" sound, or she put her hands together indicating the sound of something hitting the ground or some other object. You guys who are trying to hold up the the testimony of someone who was clearly not so articulate in terms of answering questions in court are grasping at straws to discredit her......focusing so much on trees you can't see the forest. Now, if a well-educated witness accustomed to describing sounds and events in detail had made those same mistakes, you might have a point.
But what if the well-educated witness accustomed to describing sounds and events in detail didn't make any mistakes? Don't you think they would be more believable?
I see where you're going but honestly, it is pretty much a fact that the injuries were caused by Martin. Whether he had blood under his finger nails or not really doesnt matter. Unless someone is going to argue that Zimmerman did that to himself with absolutely no one seeing it, which I dont think is going to hold up in court.
Would it be strange if he had zero blood on his hands at all? Sure, but I dont see how that matters much if we know Martin injured Zimmerman.
Your focus is TOO NARROW. And, no, we don't know "it is pretty much a fact" that all the injuries were caused by Martin. We know from Zimmerman himself, at least in one of his various statements, that when Trayvon punched him he fell backwards and down to the side. Definitely could have sustained those injuries to the back of his head when he FELL down and landed on his back.
As of now I agree but I am waiting for the ME and I can't get passed the part of GZ lying. If it went down the way it said why did he keep changing facts. I would think that if you had nothing to hide you wouldn't need to lie.
But you obviously put stock in the other witness who changed her story about what she heard, as well as embellishing a bit to make GZ look more guilty. Even after getting caught in a lie, and admitting she lied.
Your focus is TOO NARROW. And, no, we don't know "it is pretty much a fact" that all the injuries were caused by Martin. We know from Zimmerman himself, at least in one of his various statements, that when Trayvon punched him he fell backwards and down to the side. Definitely could have sustained those injuries to the back of his head when he FELL down and landed on his back.
Your focus is TOO NARROW. And, no, we don't know "it is pretty much a fact" that all the injuries were caused by Martin. We know from Zimmerman himself, at least in one of his various statements, that when Trayvon punched him he fell backwards and down to the side. Definitely could have sustained those injuries to the back of his head when he FELL down and landed on his back.
If in the act of a crime someone dies you can get charged with murder. It stands to reason that if you punch someone and they fall, cutting the back of their head it is still you that caused the injury. So what is the difference?
Another one who has seen the court testimony before anyone else has.
It hasn't been brought out yet but it will be. If he changes it now then he would have to say why he is changing his story which wouldn't be good for him.
But what if the well-educated witness accustomed to describing sounds and events in detail didn't make any mistakes? Don't you think they would be more believable?
Of course. However, through my many years of being involved in criminal trials, it is not in the least unusual to have witnesses who are not very articulate, not used to public speaking, witnesses who are annoyed at being called, witnesses who are shy, witnesses who are, in fact, not very well educated, as well as witnesses who are smart and plenty street wise but not articulate. In fact, in large cities, like Miami, it is not at all unusual to have witnesses who do not speak English, and some who barely speak English, and even experts who speak with such strong accents it is extremely difficult to understand them. In this case, you've already seen a witness who has been in this country 12 years, is originally from Colombia, and she needed a translator in order to testify. Real life trials are not like the stuff you see on TV.
The articulate, well-educated witnesses tend to be professionals and experts.
I'll just say this. White male conservatives would be doing a 360 on this case if the roles were reversed and Martin was following Zimmerman and killed him, which is why you see the likes of radical white conservative organizations like Stormfront backing Zimmerman. By the way, that same radical white conservative group was angry that a black 4 year old was saved from drowning by a white male, and celebrated his recent death(was paralyzed while saving her). Secretly, they wish they could do the same thing which is why they refuse to blame Zimmerman for any of the events that night. They say that Zimmerman did us a favor, since this thug was going to kill somebody or end up in prison. That is the mindset of these racialist conservatives that are a large minority of your party.
Jesus! Have you ever heard of brainstorming?? Investigators and attorneys do it all the time, that's part of working a case.
I'm posting MY SPECULATION and MY THEORIES of what happened. After all, this is a discussion board, and I think most people here are posting their opinions as they hear more and more testimony. What's with the snide mind reader remarks? You don't like by theory of the case, fine; just say it. In fact, brainstorming among the legal team based on more and more information they obtain thru investigation is how they come up with their theory of what really happened. This is a common practice when working post-conviction collateral appeals cases.
In my opinion, based on my experience investigating criminal cases, my scenario seems very likely based on listening to the testimony I've heard so far, and based on the information I have heard from various sources regarding Zimmerman and his reputation for having a quick temper, being a very insecure man, and it didn't seem to take too much to set him off.
If you are so rigid in your beliefs, then it may not be others who have mental stability problems. Or maybe you're just not very creative so all this sounds strange to you.
LOL! For 16 months as evidence has been released, you have screamed at people to not speculate about the evidence and wait and see what would be presented in court. Now we have seen a week of actual evidence presented in court, and it has been bad. As bad or even worse than those of us who have actually paid attention to the case knew it would be.
So now you are screaming that people should be speculating because you don't like the evidence being presented in court.
You are a piece of work. As many times as you have been proven flat out wrong, I would think you would be embarrassed to post on these threads at all. But some people have no shame.
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