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Old 06-30-2013, 10:39 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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So what?

It had to with marriage. they didn't have to apply it directly to anyone gays,, straight, bi, or transgendered.

They could have ruled narrowly in Loving v Virginia, by simply stating that marriage would allow for blacks and whites to marry each other.

But they didn't. They applied the decision equally to ALL citizens of the US.
Yes - on the basis of biological criteria, not behavior and chosen lifestyles.

 
Old 06-30-2013, 10:46 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Seeing as our States and Constitution based on nearly 500 years of Anglo Saxon law, marriage licenses were pretty much codified from the beginning, in state Constitutions and State Codes (laws).
Sure, but that is by statute.

Statutes can be overturned.

A state is not required to grant issue a marriage license, and it is certainly possible that some state may in the future, decide that it will no longer do so, which makes the claim that gay marriage is a "civil right" rather silly.

Why not simply get government out of the marriage business? Let's acknowledge contracts of commitment, which can be entered into by anybody, and which would be enforceable by the courts?

Each time Harrier submits this common sense solution to the controversy, the gay marriage supporters reject it.

Why?

Because they aren't concerned about "civil rights" - that is just a smoke screen.

What they want is the "legitimacy" that the use of the term marriage provides them - they want forced acceptance of their lifestyle and gay sex.
 
Old 06-30-2013, 10:53 PM
 
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Yes - on the basis of biological criteria, not behavior and chosen lifestyles.
fundamental to our very existence and survival. , doesn't mean procreation. There are many infertile couples that get married.

So since senior citizens and infertile couples can't have children, your "biological" criteria claim fails.
 
Old 06-30-2013, 10:55 PM
 
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Sure, but that is by statute.

Statutes can be overturned.
and why would a state do so? So that they make all couples in their, not recognized legally as being married? That's ludicrous.

Oh, and Let's not forget the money they earn for each license that they'll be losing.

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A state is not required to grant issue a marriage license, and it is certainly possible that some state may in the future, decide that it will no longer do so, which makes the claim that gay marriage is a "civil right" rather silly.
As defined by their codes and Constitutions, states have to grant marriages licenses to lawfully married couples.

Marriage is marriage. There is no 'gay marriage' anymore.

And marriage as stated by the USSC is a basic civil right of man..


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Why not simply get government out of the marriage business? Let's acknowledge contracts of commitment, which can be entered into by anybody, and which would be enforceable by the courts?
and lose money?
 
Old 06-30-2013, 10:56 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Congratulations California, now only one more west coast state to go.
 
Old 06-30-2013, 11:02 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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As defined by their codes and Constitutions, states have to grant marriages licenses to lawfully married couples.
Codes can be overturned by enacting new statutes and constitutions can be amended.
 
Old 06-30-2013, 11:03 PM
 
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Marriage is marriage. There is no 'gay marriage' anymore.
Not every state agrees with you, thankfully.

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And marriage as stated by the USSC is a basic civil right of man..
Gay marriage has not been so stated by that august body.
 
Old 06-30-2013, 11:14 PM
 
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Codes can be overturned by enacting new statutes and constitutions can be amended.
marriage is one that will never be overturned or enacted as the FEDERAL govt relies on those marriage licenses to proclaim that a couple IS actually married.
 
Old 06-30-2013, 11:16 PM
 
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Not every state agrees with you, thankfully.
and in less than 50 years, yes 50, every state will.

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Gay marriage has not been so stated by that august body.
USSC says you're full of it.
 
Old 06-30-2013, 11:19 PM
 
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and in less than 50 years, yes 50, every state will.

USSC says you're full of it.
haha. I will be dead by then. I can move around until then to avoid the huge tax increases the gays are causing.
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