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View Poll Results: Repeal "Stand your Ground" laws?
Yes 64 32.16%
No 135 67.84%
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Old 07-14-2013, 09:05 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Justice, or control.....

I can kill you with one punch.




If trayvon knew zimmerman had a weapon, would there have been a confrontation of this magnitude?
If they both knew each other had a weapon, would a conversation happened, or would trayvon shot zimmerman instead of punching him in the nose and mounting him?
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Old 07-14-2013, 09:08 AM
 
Location: NJ
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from that nytimes article above:

The second part of the law — “stand your ground” — is the most problematic. Until 2005, in all 50 states, the law on the use of force for civilians was pretty simple. If you found yourself in a situation where you felt threatened but could safely retreat, you had the duty to do so. (A police officer does not have the duty to retreat; that is the distinction between a sworn police officer and the average citizen regarding use of force.)

Police officers are trained to de-escalate highly charged encounters with aggressive people, using deadly force as a last resort. Citizens, on the other hand, may act from emotion and perceived threats. But “stand your ground” gives citizens the right to use force in public if they feel threatened. As the law emphatically states, a citizen has “no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground.”

some wild west craziness right there
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Old 07-14-2013, 09:10 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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a person like u is the reason why it needs to be repealed
WOW! Making it personal, are we?

No reason why?
You are the reason I'm not declawed.
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Old 07-14-2013, 09:12 AM
 
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Justice, or control.....

I can kill you with one punch.




If trayvon knew zimmerman had a weapon, would there have been a confrontation of this magnitude?
If they both knew each other had a weapon, would a conversation happened, or would trayvon shot zimmerman instead of punching him in the nose and mounting him?
If T-man knew Zimmerman had a weapon, it would be totally justified for him to stand his ground and punch Zimmerman though. May not be wise but would be justified.
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Old 07-14-2013, 09:13 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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from that nytimes article above:

The second part of the law — “stand your ground†— is the most problematic. Until 2005, in all 50 states, the law on the use of force for civilians was pretty simple. If you found yourself in a situation where you felt threatened but could safely retreat, you had the duty to do so. (A police officer does not have the duty to retreat; that is the distinction between a sworn police officer and the average citizen regarding use of force.)

Police officers are trained to de-escalate highly charged encounters with aggressive people, using deadly force as a last resort. Citizens, on the other hand, may act from emotion and perceived threats. But “stand your ground†gives citizens the right to use force in public if they feel threatened. As the law emphatically states, a citizen has “no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground.â€

some wild west craziness right there



Yes, and as in this case and many others, that include black on black and white on white, the truth will set you free.... or it could lock you up. Media and public opinion of what the media gate keepers want you to hear, is not justice.
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Old 07-14-2013, 09:13 AM
 
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from that nytimes article above:

The second part of the law — “stand your ground” — is the most problematic. Until 2005, in all 50 states, the law on the use of force for civilians was pretty simple. If you found yourself in a situation where you felt threatened but could safely retreat, you had the duty to do so. (A police officer does not have the duty to retreat; that is the distinction between a sworn police officer and the average citizen regarding use of force.)

Police officers are trained to de-escalate highly charged encounters with aggressive people, using deadly force as a last resort. Citizens, on the other hand, may act from emotion and perceived threats. But “stand your ground” gives citizens the right to use force in public if they feel threatened. As the law emphatically states, a citizen has “no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground.”

some wild west craziness right there
You are making a fool of yourself. Please stop and read Post 5 and 16.

There has NEVER been a duty to retreat unless one could have retreated in complete safety. Please provide one case that you have to kill someone in self defense but you could have just retreated in complete safety.

I am waiting.
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Old 07-14-2013, 09:14 AM
 
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This is correct. There was never a requirement not to SYG.
Here in PA before they passed their version you were required to flee if given the opportunity, you could be prosecuted if you didn't.
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Old 07-14-2013, 09:14 AM
 
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Yes, and as in this case and many others, that include black on black and white on white, the truth will set you free.... or it could lock you up. Media and public opinion of what the media gate keepers want you to hear, is not justice.
how do you know it's the truth when its coming from the words of a killer? of course he will say it was self defense and possibly make stuff up to stay out of prison
the problem is, you can't hear the other person's story so this law is not working as it was intended, i assume it was intended for honest people, which was naive to say the least
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Old 07-14-2013, 09:15 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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If T-man knew Zimmerman had a weapon, it would be totally justified for him to stand his ground and punch Zimmerman though. May not be wise but would be justified.


That make absolutely no sense?
Can you explain why?
With the angle you are coming at it, it would justify shooting cops that have a gun, because you would feel threatened.
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Old 07-14-2013, 09:23 AM
 
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Here in PA before they passed their version you were required to flee if given the opportunity, you could be prosecuted if you didn't.
See the Post above and watch the video.
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