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Old 07-25-2013, 10:28 PM
 
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Abortion stops a learning brain, and no child should die alone.
So please, please adopt the hundreds of thousands of kids who want a home. Don't your realize that it's a slow death for unwanted kids. Do you have any idea what they go through.
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Old 07-25-2013, 10:29 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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So please, please adopt the hundreds of thousands of kids who want a home. Don't your realize that it's a slow death for unwanted kids. Do you have any idea what they go through.
Sounds like you want to put down any child in foster care.
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Old 07-25-2013, 10:30 PM
 
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Abortion stops a learning brain, and no child should die alone.
100 cell organisms do not have brains. They may grow one....but do not have one at the start. So you have to draw the line. Viability sounds rational. Until that point they are a parasitic organism. Living at the pleasure of their host.
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Old 07-25-2013, 10:31 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Why not then, the dentist office can be covered by the regulations as well.
You really don't get it:

"The problem is that Virginia abortion clinics, now legally characterized as "hospitals," have one year before they must make costly building upgrades, while traditional hospitals are spared that burden under state policy . . . general hospitals, defined by state law in the late 1940s, over the years have been routinely granted exceptions from complying with building standards that seemingly would require them to make costly facility renovation."
Critics: Va. inconsistently applies health rules to abortion clinics, hopsitals | HamptonRoads.com | PilotOnline.com

How many dentist and doctor offices do you think would have to close if they had to implement standards that hospitals are exempt from?
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Old 07-25-2013, 10:34 PM
 
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Sounds like you want to put down any child in foster care.
I guess I'm asking you to take care of these unwanted kids. I'm asking all of you who are against abortion to take care of these kids. Why aren't you doing that. Foster care is not a home. Its a temporary situation.
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Old 07-25-2013, 10:34 PM
 
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Recently in Virginia, a law was passed requiring hospital like standards for abortion clinics and liberals threw a hissy fit. Why do liberals think abortion clinics are above regulations?
First--it's not just "liberals" (whatever that means). There are plenty of women in the GOP who are pretty upset with the teavangelicals attacks on women. Second, regulations are fine if they're put in place to fix real problems. That's not what's going on here. It's comparable to the move to require transvaginal ultrasounds before an abortion--they are medically unnecessary, invasive and expensive. The goal isn't to improve the health of the woman--it's to punish her for having an abortion. The abortion clinic regs are the same way. You don't need facilities with hospital standards to safely perform an abortion. The only reason to require those standards is to put clinics out of business, making it much harder for women to seek abortions.

Dentists and doctors perform invasive procedures all the time in facilities that aren't at hospital standards. Why don't we start requiring all medical facilities to be at those standards? Rational people would say that's ridiculous because it would put most doctors and dentists out of business without doing a thing to improve the quality of care. This is exactly the same thing.
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Old 07-25-2013, 10:34 PM
 
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You really don't get it:

"The problem is that Virginia abortion clinics, now legally characterized as "hospitals," have one year before they must make costly building upgrades, while traditional hospitals are spared that burden under state policy . . . general hospitals, defined by state law in the late 1940s, over the years have been routinely granted exceptions from complying with building standards that seemingly would require them to make costly facility renovation."
Critics: Va. inconsistently applies health rules to abortion clinics, hopsitals | HamptonRoads.com | PilotOnline.com

How many dentist and doctor offices do you think would have to close if they had to implement standards that hospitals are exempt from?
So have the regular hospitals meet the standards
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Old 07-25-2013, 10:34 PM
 
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Sounds like you want to put down any child in foster care.
Petition to have the government provide $50,000 a year for each child carried to term. That will strongly limit abortion and provide the necessary funding to raise the child reasonably. I have never heard the pro-life guys try to get policies that would encourage the mother to carry the baby to term and raise it.
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Old 07-25-2013, 10:36 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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I guess I'm asking you to take care of these unwanted kids. I'm asking all of you who are against abortion to take care of these kids. Why aren't you doing that. Foster care is not a home. Its a temporary situation.
Don't you know. "Dependency is slavery," according to shooting4life. Let those kids loose on the streets to fend for themselves, little lazy asses.'

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So have the regular hospitals meet the standards
You'd have a hospital spend money on updating its architecture because of bureaucracy, rather than a real need?
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Old 07-25-2013, 10:37 PM
 
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First--it's not just "liberals" (whatever that means). There are plenty of women in the GOP who are pretty upset with the teavangelicals attacks on women. Second, regulations are fine if they're put in place to fix real problems. That's not what's going on here. It's comparable to the move to require transvaginal ultrasounds before an abortion--they are medically unnecessary, invasive and expensive. The goal isn't to improve the health of the woman--it's to punish her for having an abortion. The abortion clinic regs are the same way. You don't need facilities with hospital standards to safely perform an abortion. The only reason to require those standards is to put clinics out of business, making it much harder for women to seek abortions.
I hear where you are coming from. I would go as far as saying clinics that perform abortions after 22 weeks need to meet the higher regulation because of increase chance of live birth, under that date then the current standard can apply.
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