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Most people who get stuck in low wage don't have the IQ to do anything else. I've known people who can't do simple algebra no matter how many times you show them.
The same thing happens when the government siphens money out of the economy through taxation. Obama managed to get higher taxes but did you see anyone who bought into his BS get a windfall?
A bunch of idiots believed Obama and now they suffer the fallout and you still don't get it.
Good grief, does every problem have to be Obama this and Obama that. This economy got to where it is now from 30 years of bad decisions by Democrats and Republicans. You need to go educate yourself on that tax statement you made. Go back and see what the tax rates have historically been for people and corporations over the past few decades.
Not sure if this obvious fact has been stated yet...
If the fast food establishments raised the pay to $15 an hour for these jobs, more qualified people would suddenly be interested in these jobs and would be hired in place of the lesser qualified workers currently striking for higher wages.
They would have "struck" themselves out of a job
Doh
Lol
A wage offered determines the ability of the job seekers who will apply.
Get it?
Problem is this just ain't universally true.
I have no dog in this fight but the mainstream conservative mantra that the human psyche revolves around pure profit motivation is just bonkers.
Of course people want to make more dough but not at the expense of completely throwing your future away not to mention having your brain unchallenged.
I have nothing against these workers. If this is the only job they can do based on intellect then that's fine by me. Every person deserves respect.
I can't work in fast food though. Not because I'm "too good" for it but because it would have an adverse impact on my brain. Assuming I wasn't in dire need of cash.
If I made $15 per hour as an intern for my career or an entry level job in my field I wouldn't work fast food at $15. Depending on my finances I wouldn't work fast food until they paid a certain percentage ABOVE my current salary. That point varies for most of the folks following along.
I just get a little cranky when I hear this "bottom dollar" theory proposed by many mainstream conservatives. If people were only motivated by $ then most of the great innovators/visionaries throughout history wouldn't have went down the road they did. And I'm nobody special. I'm a paper pusher. I do have a little kick in my brain. Not gonna cure cancer but I gotta have a little stimulation. Know what I mean?
"Good grief, does every problem have to be Obama this and Obama that. This economy got to where it is now from 30 years of bad decisions by Democrats and Republicans. You need to go educate yourself on that tax statement you made. Go back and see what the tax rates have historically been for people and corporations over the past few decades."
Yes, we can blame obama was making a bad economy worse.
The economy over the years has fluctuated as expected, some decisions were mistakes esp during Clinton era. thank Barney Frank, Tim Geithner, and several other financial watchdogs who charged anyone who questioned Fannie and Freddie solvency with racism. The government and Dems intervention in the banking industry was the main reason for the current situation up to 2008.
more than enough demonstrated evidence to conclude Obama and his federal agencies have indeed supressed the economy and jobs, wasted taxpayer money but did so on steeroids. Apparently his motivation is implimentation of his ideology based on wealth distribution deserved because someone exists not because of their productivity.
O has distinguished himself from his predessors as the first to abandon our economic structure, raise energy prices as promised and re-distribute wealth with government intervention.
If we become a socialist state as obama endorses through his actions, 15$ an hour for unskilled workers is too low a wage. Otherwise 15 $ for serving prepared food over the counter is counterproductive.
I have no dog in this fight but the mainstream conservative mantra that the human psyche revolves around pure profit motivation is just bonkers.
Of course people want to make more dough but not at the expense of completely throwing your future away not to mention having your brain unchallenged.
I have nothing against these workers. If this is the only job they can do based on intellect then that's fine by me. Every person deserves respect.
I can't work in fast food though. Not because I'm "too good" for it but because it would have an adverse impact on my brain. Assuming I wasn't in dire need of cash.
If I made $15 per hour as an intern for my career or an entry level job in my field I wouldn't work fast food at $15. Depending on my finances I wouldn't work fast food until they paid a certain percentage ABOVE my current salary. That point varies for most of the folks following along.
I just get a little cranky when I hear this "bottom dollar" theory proposed by many mainstream conservatives. If people were only motivated by $ then most of the great innovators/visionaries throughout history wouldn't have went down the road they did. And I'm nobody special. I'm a paper pusher. I do have a little kick in my brain. Not gonna cure cancer but I gotta have a little stimulation. Know what I mean?
And therein lies the assumption. Actually, there are thousands and thousands of college grads who can't get jobs in their chosen fields, who are dying for some kind of job, ANY kind of job, to help pay their bills. I know of a lot of them who would be more than able and happy to work at McDonalds at $15 bucks an hour until they could find a better job.
And therein lies the assumption. Actually, there are thousands and thousands of college grads who can't get jobs in their chosen fields, who are dying for some kind of job, ANY kind of job, to help pay their bills. I know of a lot of them who would be more than able and happy to work at McDonalds at $15 bucks an hour until they could find a better job.
Which goes to prove my earlier point. The problem isn't that McDonald's isn't a good paying job. The problem is that we ran off the ones that were.
And therein lies the assumption. Actually, there are thousands and thousands of college grads who can't get jobs in their chosen fields, who are dying for some kind of job, ANY kind of job, to help pay their bills.
And if there wasn't a crazy teenager in the White House I would have retired a couple years ago and some 20 or 30 something would have my job.
Elections have consequences.
As it is, there is just too much uncertainty around what O will do next, so I'll keep working. At least 'til 2016. Maybe longer.
If the 20-somethings think igniting a wage price spiral is the answer to their bad political decisions, then have at it. As long as I'm working, my wages will double too.
I have no dog in this fight but the mainstream conservative mantra that the human psyche revolves around pure profit motivation is just bonkers.
Of course people want to make more dough but not at the expense of completely throwing your future away not to mention having your brain unchallenged.
I have nothing against these workers. If this is the only job they can do based on intellect then that's fine by me. Every person deserves respect.
I can't work in fast food though. Not because I'm "too good" for it but because it would have an adverse impact on my brain. Assuming I wasn't in dire need of cash.
If I made $15 per hour as an intern for my career or an entry level job in my field I wouldn't work fast food at $15. Depending on my finances I wouldn't work fast food until they paid a certain percentage ABOVE my current salary. That point varies for most of the folks following along.
I just get a little cranky when I hear this "bottom dollar" theory proposed by many mainstream conservatives. If people were only motivated by $ then most of the great innovators/visionaries throughout history wouldn't have went down the road they did. And I'm nobody special. I'm a paper pusher. I do have a little kick in my brain. Not gonna cure cancer but I gotta have a little stimulation. Know what I mean?
Bravo for stating what I thought should be obvious but apparently is not for many people. Well said, the entire post!
"Good grief, does every problem have to be Obama this and Obama that. This economy got to where it is now from 30 years of bad decisions by Democrats and Republicans. You need to go educate yourself on that tax statement you made. Go back and see what the tax rates have historically been for people and corporations over the past few decades."
Yes, we can blame obama was making a bad economy worse.
The economy over the years has fluctuated as expected, some decisions were mistakes esp during Clinton era. thank Barney Frank, Tim Geithner, and several other financial watchdogs who charged anyone who questioned Fannie and Freddie solvency with racism. The government and Dems intervention in the banking industry was the main reason for the current situation up to 2008.
more than enough demonstrated evidence to conclude Obama and his federal agencies have indeed supressed the economy and jobs, wasted taxpayer money but did so on steeroids. Apparently his motivation is implimentation of his ideology based on wealth distribution deserved because someone exists not because of their productivity.
O has distinguished himself from his predessors as the first to abandon our economic structure, raise energy prices as promised and re-distribute wealth with government intervention.
If we become a socialist state as obama endorses through his actions, 15$ an hour for unskilled workers is too low a wage. Otherwise 15 $ for serving prepared food over the counter is counterproductive.
Clearly you haven't noticed that you've lived your entire life in a country which is a combination of capitalism and socialism. Capitalism needs regulation. Unbridled capitalism is BRUTAL for almost everyone. "If we become a socialist state as Obama endorses"......what amazing bias.
Interesting the "blame" on this thread seems to land in one of three places, labor, corporations and/or government. Wonder what enables it all, could it be consumers - like us collectively?
Someone mentioned WalMart legitimately marketed themselves as "buy American" in their early growth years. Now there's almost nothing in their stores made in the USA. Why did that happen? Because consumers wanted cheap above all else, so WalMart and every other corporation facing global competition gave consumers what they demanded with their dollars. Those who didn't, are gone now. If you believe WalMart could bring higher priced "made in USA" products back on their shelves today and people would buy them, you're kidding yourself. Higher US wages, as being discussed in this thread, only makes "made in USA" less competitive. Sure we can argue about higher wages vs lower corporate profits, but the problem is much bigger than that.
Lots of posturing here, but ultimately our collective never-ending search for whatever is cheapest to improve OUR personal standard of living, results in lowering the standard of living for workers standard of living. More often than not, it's the same person - so we do it to ourselves almost directly! Fast food is one of the best examples, Americans eat the stuff because it's cheap and fast, even though they know full well it's not good for them.
Welcome to globalization...revisiting how things were in the US in the 50's is a pointless exercise near term at least.
And don't forget those that then SUE those fast food places for making them and their families fat!
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... until you get home and actually cook for yourself.