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Old 09-01-2013, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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Originally Posted by momonkey View Post
Since Canada is still hiding behind America's skirt, perhaps Canadians should keep their noses out of America's military affairs.

You have enough to worry about teaching our draft dodgers to say "zed".
Don't like my posts? Don't read them. Problem solved.

 
Old 09-01-2013, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Soldotna
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Originally Posted by shooting4life View Post
The problem becomes group cohesion and unit readiness.

Just ask those in the military in mixed units.
Nonsense... This false claim has been debunked by the fact that other militaries have mixed units.

And as a side note, your exact argument was brought up by people that didn't want the military integrated.

Women that have served have acquitted themselves well. Any claim else wise is bull****..
 
Old 09-01-2013, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Hiding from Antifa!
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent View Post
Physical, brute force, "front lines" kind of fighting? No.

Tactical, strategic, technological support, etc., fighting? Absolutely!
Do you not think that the men who slug it out in the trenches for 16 or more years and then get injured would not be upset that they could not take one of those support roles while he finished his career because they were filled with personnel who could never do the job he was doing when he got hurt? Talk about morale issues!

I do believe there are some women that can do a better job in combat than the average man. I would have no issue with them in the service. I just believe that all personnel in the service should be capable of combat roles. When I was in the USAF it was a lot different than it is today. Now, they are taking people from the AF to combat areas in support of Army and Marines, such as driving trucks in convoys, and more.

Who would you want beside you in your support position when the enemy breaks through the front line?
 
Old 09-01-2013, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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Originally Posted by shooting4life


The problem becomes group cohesion and unit
readiness.

Just ask those in the military in mixed units.
Why don't you ask the Marines?

There is also evidence to suggest that mixed-gender units may perform even more effectively than single-gender units in some cases—as they did in North Vietnam and El Salvador, for example. Some American commanders of experienced mixed-gender units have noticed a similar pattern of positive dynamics: the women often work harder to gain approval, and the men work harder not to be outdone. This was apparent, for instance, in the Persian Gulf. These experiences are also supported by studies conducted by the U.S. Army Research Institute that showed that women in combat support units did not adversely affect unit performance; by Canadian military research that showed that the assignment of women to nontraditional roles in land, air, and sea environments did not have negative impacts on operational effectiveness;16 and by Danish research that showed that women performed just as well as their male counterparts in land and sea combat roles.17 In general, research indicates that cohesion and bonding are not adversely affected by women’s presence in military groups and that men and women can work together well—especially when women are not a novelty in a unit and especially when women and men are deployed in the field.

Demystifying the
 
Old 09-01-2013, 03:50 PM
 
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Originally Posted by momonkey View Post
Since Canada is still hiding behind America's skirt, perhaps Canadians should keep their noses out of America's military affairs.

You have enough to worry about teaching our draft dodgers to say "zed".
Thick skulled as they are; your draft dodgers still manage to get it. They were also smart enough to evade a war you left a whole bunch of hueys on the floor of the south china sea in your haste to get out of.

While you have nothing to worry about as long as there is a Canadian embassy close to yours to rescue your embassy staff, airports to handle your thousands of travellers turned away form your airports along with a Canadian unit of less than a hundred men against 14,000 chicoms capable of holding the 38th parallel for you while you're in full retreat ~eh? Oh and those guys DID wear skirts in their mess. PP2CLI look it up; Battle of KapYong

And just who would we be hiding from Momonkey; an enemy you made perhaps?

The very last people we could count on, if history serves as a lesson, would be you retards as you haven't even been capable of protecting yourselves in the last 40 years, much less anyone else. You've had your hat handed to you in nearly every instance you've stuck your military nose into in recent history.

The other commonwealth nations would already have boots on the ground if Canada were in need while you were still debating if it were "your war". Read some history.

What a maroon!
 
Old 09-01-2013, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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Thick skulled as they are; your draft dodgers still manage to get it. They were also smart enough to evade a war you left a whole bunch of hueys on the floor of the south china sea in your haste to get out of.

While you have nothing to worry about as long as there is a Canadian embassy close to yours to rescue your embassy staff, airports to handle your thousands of travellers turned away form your airports along with a Canadian unit of less than a hundred men against 14,000 chicoms capable of holding the 38th parallel for you while you're in full retreat ~eh? Oh and those guys DID wear skirts in their mess. PP2CLI look it up; Battle of KapYong

And just who would we be hiding from Momonkey; an enemy you made perhaps?

The very last people we could count on, if history serves as a lesson, would be you retards as you haven't even been capable of protecting yourselves in the last 40 years, much less anyone else. You've had your hat handed to you in nearly every instance you've stuck your military nose into in recent history.

The other commonwealth nations would already have boots on the ground if Canada were in need while you were still debating if it were "your war". Read some history.

What a maroon!
Beauty!
 
Old 09-01-2013, 04:34 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Originally Posted by tinman01 View Post
I prefer to allow women to either make it on their own merit or fail because they couldn't hack it.
Unit morale etc. That same argument was used to try and prevent blacks from being anything except cooks.

Blacks were never given promotions they didn't earn such that your argument would have legs.

The whole point to putting females in infantry MOSs is so that they can be promoted over males.

A better comparison would be blacks drafted into the military during the Viet Nam War where they were sure to see lots of real combat but were still treated as second-class citizens back home.

The left would like to do to men generally what was done to black males in the 1960s.

Our current military readiness is the product of largely male love of country.

Introducing liberal hate of males, and white heterosexual males in particular, into the military is a big mistake.

FTR, obviously you have never served in an infantry unit or you wouldn't post such stupid things.
 
Old 09-01-2013, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Originally Posted by BruSan View Post
Thick skulled as they are; your draft dodgers still manage to get it. They were also smart enough to evade a war you left a whole bunch of hueys on the floor of the south china sea in your haste to get out of.

While you have nothing to worry about as long as there is a Canadian embassy close to yours to rescue your embassy staff, airports to handle your thousands of travellers turned away form your airports along with a Canadian unit of less than a hundred men against 14,000 chicoms capable of holding the 38th parallel for you while you're in full retreat ~eh? Oh and those guys DID wear skirts in their mess. PP2CLI look it up; Battle of KapYong

And just who would we be hiding from Momonkey; an enemy you made perhaps?

The very last people we could count on, if history serves as a lesson, would be you retards as you haven't even been capable of protecting yourselves in the last 40 years, much less anyone else. You've had your hat handed to you in nearly every instance you've stuck your military nose into in recent history.

The other commonwealth nations would already have boots on the ground if Canada were in need while you were still debating if it were "your war". Read some history.

What a maroon!


"Could count on"?

No sweetheart, do count on.

If the US were not on your border, Canada with her rich natural resources would be passed around like a drunk chick at a frat party.

As for all those nice things Canadians have done for Americans over the years, it doesn't go unnoticed and we are grateful, but don't let your national pride cloud your vision.
 
Old 09-01-2013, 05:29 PM
 
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Originally Posted by BruSan View Post
Thick skulled as they are; your draft dodgers still manage to get it. They were also smart enough to evade a war you left a whole bunch of hueys on the floor of the south china sea in your haste to get out of.

While you have nothing to worry about as long as there is a Canadian embassy close to yours to rescue your embassy staff, airports to handle your thousands of travellers turned away form your airports along with a Canadian unit of less than a hundred men against 14,000 chicoms capable of holding the 38th parallel for you while you're in full retreat ~eh? Oh and those guys DID wear skirts in their mess. PP2CLI look it up; Battle of KapYong

And just who would we be hiding from Momonkey; an enemy you made perhaps?

The very last people we could count on, if history serves as a lesson, would be you retards as you haven't even been capable of protecting yourselves in the last 40 years, much less anyone else. You've had your hat handed to you in nearly every instance you've stuck your military nose into in recent history.

The other commonwealth nations would already have boots on the ground if Canada were in need while you were still debating if it were "your war". Read some history.

What a maroon!
Good post. (Anyone who is still railing about the guys who went north will never understand it, but good post.)
 
Old 09-01-2013, 05:37 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Originally Posted by momonkey View Post
Blacks were never given promotions they didn't earn such that your argument would have legs.

The whole point to putting females in infantry MOSs is so that they can be promoted over males.

A better comparison would be blacks drafted into the military during the Viet Nam War where they were sure to see lots of real combat but were still treated as second-class citizens back home.

The left would like to do to men generally what was done to black males in the 1960s.

Our current military readiness is the product of largely male love of country.

Introducing liberal hate of males, and white heterosexual males in particular, into the military is a big mistake.

FTR, obviously you have never served in an infantry unit or you wouldn't post such stupid things.
Never served in the Army you are correct. I am a combat vet. Are you? I have trained with other Militarys that use women, have you?

The point I made about blacks. Another poster alleged that women would destroy unit morale. That same exact argument was used in reference to blacks being integrated into white combat units. The excuses ranged from being to stupid, cowardly, not aggressive enough etc.
As far as the only reason for women to be allowed in combat roles? Where was that mentioned as the expressed purpose?
I have no clue where your liberal hate of white heterosexuals comes from.
What is stupid is to assume that no woman can qualify unless she is given a free pass. I personally know women who could and would hold their own in battle. Hell they already have. NYC ESU...
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