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Old 10-07-2013, 07:29 PM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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I'm sure there are many men who are enjoying seeing women finally developing, and overdeveloping, their masculine sides, and I'm sure there are women who detest seeing women overdeveloping their masculine sides.

When I see any woman today, in the headlines, doing some feat, like swimming from Cuba to Florida, I smile mischieviously.

It happens at work too many times. The 5-gallon water jug runs out of water, a new one needs to be hoisted onto the water machine.

Along comes some woman, it happened just recently: The water jug needs to be changed! Now that's a man's job!"

And me, sitting there, not moving a muscle to help: If a 63YO woman can swim from Cuba to Florida.........!

We're all yin & yang, 50-50, has always been that way, always will be! But I sometimes question that, as I know, instinctively, women will always be stronger than men. And for that, being a man, the weaker sex, I'm grateful I'm not a woman!
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Old 10-08-2013, 01:26 AM
 
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we (men) have traditionally cheated and been promiscuous relative to women (not all of us but a whole lot). Nowadays, many women take on the same behavior and often times without shame...
So you cheated and were promiscuous with each other? Otherwise, if you were having a lot of sex it may have been with women --- who were also obviously promiscuous.
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Old 10-08-2013, 01:34 AM
 
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Nothing that I said affirms your post.


Frankly speaking, this is a rather ridiculous statement. Firstly, define "agressive" behavior. Do you mean: aggression in the work place? Aggression at home? Or Aggression in general?

There is clearly no data or study anywhere to suggest that women are becoming more aggressive. In fact, year after year data suggests that:
- women commit fewer crimes (e.g. homicides) than men
- women commit fewer workplace frauds (e.g. financial) than men


Are any of these trends reversing? Can you provide me any evidence to support any of the statements you are making?


Your being a Hillary supporter has nothing to do with the statements you have made. How is that a defence for your position?

I STILL fail to understand how you can make a blanket statement like - women are becoming "coarse"?
I don't think there can be any doubt about that. Look at the celebrities for example. Really before a couple of decades ago, woman celebrities didn't get their start by releasing porn flicks and you didn't see woman singers rolling around on the stage masturbating. Cher was sexual but she didn't masturbate with crucifixes on stage or grab her crotch. Now it's rare when a woman singer doesn't do that.
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Old 10-08-2013, 01:47 AM
 
Location: Volcano
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I don't see it that women are imitating men. I just see woman being freed up from traditional roles to be themselves. And for some women... clearly not all... that means becoming more aggressive and more sexually uninhibited.

And as they do that, some men are also being freed up from traditional roles so they can be not as aggressive, and not so overtly sexual without being seen as abnormal.

The simple truth is that both gender identity and human sexuality exist not in separate poles, but in continuous spectrums from masculine to feminine, and that each of us contains elements of both. Neither are they fixed, but they're fluid, mutable, ever-changing. The fact is that most traditional gender roles didn't fit everyone, and some of the time didn't fit anyone. So a person having more freedom to express whatever feels right to them is a profound accomplishment.

The challenge is that sexual attraction works on polarity. No matter what the gender of the two people in a relationship, they are each attracted to the opposite polarity. So one - at any given time - will be the initiator, the aggressor, the embodiment of masculine sexual energy; while the other will be the attracter, the yielder, and the embodiment of feminine sexual energy. And in normal, healthy relationships it isn't unusual for the partners to switch roles at various times. One is usually dominant, while the other is submissive, but sometimes they play opposite roles.

The other thing about masculine-feminine polarity is that people choose a partner whose masculine/feminine intensity matches theirs, on the other side of the scale. So, to name just two of the many possible variations, the rowdy cowboy in boots and jeans is most attracted to the quiet little lady in ruffles and bows, while the nerdy intellectual with the low-banked fires is most likely to wind up with a partner who is similarly equipped. Water seeks its own level, and so does sexuality.

The problem that folks who are of partnering-up age are confused by the abandonment of traditional gender roles and unsure how to proceed. Thus the quandry of whether a woman should ask a man out, and if so, does she pay for the date? Should couples divvy up expenses 50/50 or should they be proportional to income? And who drives, anyway?

And yes, the exact same stuff is going on in same-sex relationships.

The key to relationship success is communication and openness. A lot of couples are finding out that while she may be a captain of industry and a hard driving boss during the day, she really wants to put the suit aside when she gets home and melt into her soft side in the bedroom. What she need the most is a partner who can handle both ends of her spectrum of personal expression, and dance with it.

And men are finding they can be loving and tender to their children and spouse, without giving up their essential masculinity. But at the present moment, I'd say men are having a harder time of things right at the moment, due to confusion about what their role is, if they aren't playing a role any more. Women are just a little faster at getting a handle on it all.
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Old 10-08-2013, 02:49 AM
 
Location: Appalachian New York, Formerly Louisiana
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I am going out on a limb here ans saying gender roles are not reversing, they are vanishing. Women and men can both now be more and more honest about who they are as individuals.

People have always been this way, but have had to hide so much about themselves in the past. We still have a way to go.

As far as women perhaps "inheriting negative traits", I say that is rubbish. There are bad people of both genders. Bad women will be bad people. It has nothing to do with genitals and chemicals.
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Old 10-08-2013, 03:40 AM
 
Location: The Brat Stop
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in America...


Women are becoming more aggressive, assertive, and self referenced.

Men are more passive on average.

agree or disagree?




Personally I find it alarming how women are assuming, the more negative, attributes of men! Selfishness, no shame or less in cheating or playing the field and sexually objectifying the opposite sex, decreasing empathy and/or maternal instinct, etc. its just so sad and may have something to do our cultural decline (if you agree that there is any)...

Obviously with women's liberation in this country, women have amassed more power and opportunity, which is great. However, it seems that with the breaking of the shackles and cracking of the glass ceilings; women are starting to perpetrate the very same attributes that they rallied against for so many years.

and please be aware: I'm speaking in macro generalities here regarding women's behavior not their rights in society or social justice...
At least once a month, I get all dolled up and bake muffins for my dominant spouse, she stands nearby with a whip, dog collar and leash.

I don't mind it much, I just don't want the neighbors to know.

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Old 10-08-2013, 04:04 AM
 
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I agree, and I'm a woman that hates it. Maybe I'm stuck in the wrong era...
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Old 10-08-2013, 06:05 AM
 
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Men now have the weight of law against them everywhere, even in the home, if they aren't passive. Be assertive at work=sexual harrassment these days. Be assertive in the military=courts martial. Be assertive at home=domestic violence. What started out as a quest for equality has turned into a conquest for superiority. And social justice is the law of equal outcomes, not equal opportunity. If one side outperforms the other you hinder them to allow the other to catch up. But yes, to answer your question, I have to agree. Women ARE demonstrating the attributes that they once found so negative in men.
There is no reason for you to involve or depend on women in your attempts to achieve success at work. Honestly, it just sounds like excuses. I recommend that people in the work place keep their hands to themselves, mind their P's & Q's, and generally behave as if your mother is present. Focus on your work and your creativity, what you bring to the table, rather than the social elements of the workplace. I see this as gender neutral. What we have in our pants does not need to come into play when we are being productive-at work, home, anywhere.
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Old 10-08-2013, 07:29 AM
 
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I'm sure there are many men who are enjoying seeing women finally developing, and overdeveloping, their masculine sides, and I'm sure there are women who detest seeing women overdeveloping their masculine sides.

When I see any woman today, in the headlines, doing some feat, like swimming from Cuba to Florida, I smile mischieviously.

It happens at work too many times. The 5-gallon water jug runs out of water, a new one needs to be hoisted onto the water machine.

Along comes some woman, it happened just recently: The water jug needs to be changed! Now that's a man's job!"

And me, sitting there, not moving a muscle to help: If a 63YO woman can swim from Cuba to Florida.........!

We're all yin & yang, 50-50, has always been that way, always will be! But I sometimes question that, as I know, instinctively, women will always be stronger than men. And for that, being a man, the weaker sex, I'm grateful I'm not a woman!
But its not every woman who can swim from Cuba to Florida.
I see nothing wrong with those who are stronger physically helping those who are physically weaker. I will lift/carry things for my elders or the injured/handicapped.

If it makes you feel any better when there is a diaper that needs changed, a snotty nose or a booger...that's a woman's job.
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Old 10-08-2013, 07:29 AM
 
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So you cheated and were promiscuous with each other? Otherwise, if you were having a lot of sex it may have been with women --- who were also obviously promiscuous.

so you're claiming that women have always cheated as much as men

i doubt your peers (by gender) would agree with you, but maybe you're right; the question is, are you proud of that?
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