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Old 10-10-2013, 04:00 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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So..... Catholicism right? America is Catholic nation right? Catholicism equals Christianity, no?
No. Christianity is Chrsitianity.

Besides, the origianl settlers, such as the Pilgrims, were Protestant, not Catholic, as were most of the colonists. They were Calvinists.

The colonists were very familiar with, and drew much of their political thinking, their ideas of government, from the writings of John Calvin. The most common source was the Bible.

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Old 10-10-2013, 04:27 AM
 
Location: St. Joseph Area
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Next up: the OP explains why returning to the Three-Fifths Compromise would be a traditional and good thing, and that's why liberals oppose it.


Don't forget the slave trade.

I don't like the slave trade or the three fifths compromise, so according to the OP I must hate America.
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Old 10-10-2013, 05:02 AM
 
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You obviously don't like the idea of expanding rights and economic opportunity.
Sorry but giving out welfare doesn't expand rights or economic opportunity.
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You have a seriously distorted view of what America is and has been for more than two centuries.
No, your previous sentence quite clearly demonstrates that the distorted view is yours.
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Probably too late for you to wake up now, though.
David Mamet, Michael Medved, and David Horowitz all woke up. Maybe you can too. Of course, what makes it hard for liberals to wake up is arrogance. I am like most conservatives - I am proud to be a conservative because I think conservatism is correct. We don't think that we are superior human beings the way liberals do. If a conservative becomes a liberal, then he switches his economic views. But if a liberal becomes a conservative, then he becomes a racist sexist Islamophobic greedy warmonger.
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Old 10-10-2013, 06:28 AM
 
Location: New Mexico
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Sorry but giving out welfare doesn't expand rights or economic opportunity.

No, your previous sentence quite clearly demonstrates that the distorted view is yours.

David Mamet, Michael Medved, and David Horowitz all woke up. Maybe you can too. Of course, what makes it hard for liberals to wake up is arrogance. I am like most conservatives - I am proud to be a conservative because I think conservatism is correct. We don't think that we are superior human beings the way liberals do. If a conservative becomes a liberal, then he switches his economic views. But if a liberal becomes a conservative, then he becomes a racist sexist Islamophobic greedy warmonger.
So, you're unhappy with your "new" political affiliation.

Understandable.
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Old 10-10-2013, 06:59 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Sorry but giving out welfare doesn't expand rights or economic opportunity.

No, your previous sentence quite clearly demonstrates that the distorted view is yours.

David Mamet, Michael Medved, and David Horowitz all woke up. Maybe you can too. Of course, what makes it hard for liberals to wake up is arrogance. I am like most conservatives - I am proud to be a conservative because I think conservatism is correct. We don't think that we are superior human beings the way liberals do. If a conservative becomes a liberal, then he switches his economic views. But if a liberal becomes a conservative, then he becomes a racist sexist Islamophobic greedy warmonger.
So, you provide no evidence in support of your assertion that "welfare doesn't expand rights or economic opportunity," and everyone is supposed to accept that assertion as fact?

David Mamet is a play-write, with no particular expertise in this field. Michael Medved is radio host, author, political commentator and film critic -- again, with no particular expertise. David Horowitz is a conservative writer and generally considered a crank. I see no reason to accept their view in light of so much contrary evidence that helping the economically distressed does increase economic opportunity.

The fact that poverty has dropped dramatically since 1959, as programs that aide the poor have come on-line, is evidence that can't be ignored.
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Old 10-10-2013, 07:04 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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To The Left You Obviously Don't Like The Way The Country Was Founded So What Nation Would You Prefer Us To Be Like

The only obvious thing I see here is a question based on imagination rather than anything factual.
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Old 10-10-2013, 07:47 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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David Horowitz is a conservative writer and generally considered a crank.
Only by Leftists like you. That's to be expected. You think all conservatives are cranks.
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Old 10-10-2013, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Only by Leftists like you. That's to be expected. You think all conservatives are cranks.

The right wing haters these days refer to any conservative who isn't a crank as a RINO.
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Old 10-10-2013, 08:24 AM
 
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I doubt you'll get many serious, thoughtful answers on this.
It's still sort of semi taboo in Progressive Left circles to openly admit that they see the Constitution as a hindrance to their Socialist Utopia and that they really would love to tell the founding fathers to stick it in their hats.

On the other hand there are some who will openly spout their hatred for Capitalism and the American way of life.
Correct.

Sadly, what was considered treasonous or un-American to spout just 10-20 years ago is now commonly stated. So it will not be too long before those who genuinely hate the Founding Fathers and everything they created, will publicly advocate the dismantling of the Constitution.
It goes on in high schools and colleges as we speak, under the guise of intellectually challenging exercises. Yet most of the uber liberal professors believe it, and hope to indoctrinate young impressionable minds.

Lets not forget that Sen. Joe McCarthy has been vilified by the left for his so called "witch hunt" during the 50's to ferret out communists. While he might not have been the best face for it, there were plenty of people aware of card carrying members of the communist party in political circles, Hollywood, college campuses and other parts of our society. Their numbers were smaller, and they didn't dare admit it publicly, but they were of the same mindset that many of todays so called "progressives/liberals" are.
They are the antithesis of what the Founding Fathers were, so most things about our Constitution are abhorrent to them.

Funny thing is that these Utopian dreamers could not form a functioning society that would survive if their lives depended on it. Yet, they want to dismantle the best document ever created of free men to live in a free society. Many cannot even grasp that without the 2nd Amendment, all the others(even the ones they like) could not be defended by a future government run amok.

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Old 10-10-2013, 08:30 AM
 
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Correct.

Sadly, what was considered treasonous or un-American to spout just 10-20 years ago is now commonly stated. So it will not be too long before those who genuinely hate the Founding Fathers and everything they created, will publicly advocate the dismantling of the Constitution.
It goes on in high schools and colleges as we speak, under the guise of intellectually challenging exercises. Yet most of the uber liberal professors believe it, and hope to indoctrinate young impressionable minds.

Lets not forget that Sen. Joe McCarthy has been vilified by the left for his so called "witch hunt" during the 50's to ferret out communists. While he might not have been the best face for it, there were plenty of people aware of card carrying members of the communist party in political circles, Hollywood, college campuses and other parts of our society. Their numbers were smaller, and they didn't dare admit it publicly, but they were of the same mindset that many of todays so called "progressives/liberals" are.
They are the antithesis of what the Founding Fathers were, so most things about our Constitution are abhorrent to them.

Funny thing is that these Utopian dreamers could not form a functioning society that would survive if their lives depended on it. Yet, they want to dismantle the best document ever created of free men to live in a free society. Many cannot even grasp that without the 2nd Amendment, all the others(even the ones they like) could not be defended by a future government run amok.

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The "left" isn't only comprised of Communists.

McCarthy deserved to be vilified.

The Founding Fathers were the leftists of their times.
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