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If people still followed ONLY the Old Testament and ignored the New your point might be valid.
Could you give some different intepretations to the following Koranic passages?
Jews are the greediest of all humankind. They'd like to live 1000 years. But they are going to hell. 2:96
Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2
War is ordained by Allah, and all Muslims must be willing to fight, whether they like it or not. 2:216
Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 4:89
Thanks.
Perhaps you mised it but most Islamic radicals are upper or middle class and well educated.
Also IF they were impoverished and oppressed then wouldn't liberating such people be a worthy goal?
Wouldn't showing a different way that does not involve murdering your neighbor be a good idea?
Of course it would, but murdering THEIR neighbors isn't going to help, is it? Also, I'm not sure where your statistic about most terrorists/radicals being upper-middle class/well-educated comes from... if it's true, witnessing suffering in others (rather than one's own personal suffering) could incite one to radicalism and hatred just as well, I suppose.
There are many verses in the Koran that advocate peace, that condemn the killing of innocent people.
Could you give some different interpretations to the following biblical verses?
"When Yahweh your God brings you into the land that you are about to enter and occupy, and he clears away many nations before you — the Hittites, the Girga****es, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites...and when Yahweh your God gives them over to you...you must utterly destroy them...Show them no mercy...For you are a people holy to Yahweh your God; Yahweh your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on earth to be his people, his treasured possession (Deuteronomy 7.1-11; see also 9.1-5; 11.8-9, 23, 31-32)."
"But as for the towns of these peoples that Yahweh your God is giving you as an inheritance, you must not let anything that breathes remain alive. You shall annihilate them—the Hittites and the Amorites, the Canaanites and the Perizzites, the Hivites and the Jebusites—just as Yahweh your God has commanded, so that they may not teach you to do all the abhorrent things that they do for their gods, and you thus sin against Yahweh your God (Deuteronomy 20.16-18)."
I know if I was surrounded by those whose religion demands my death and whose governments openly proclaim their desire to destroy my entire nation I would support the use of nuclear weapons too....
And no,none of us know what it is like to live with the fear of never knowing whether the little boy who just boarded your bus is planning to kill everyone....
...or if you are going to get cluster bombed when doing your laundry because a radical element holed up in a building 8 blocks away. Your turn!
No I am just saying we should not all act so surprised and think we are lily white as a nation when some of the nuts get upset and decide to learn how to fly airplanes and drive them into our buildings, that's all. We reap what we sow, right. I personally don't think it is worth the price...looking at our current situation....would love it if somebody could tell us how all the financial and military support we give Israel is helping us pragmatically today, outside of our shared Judeo-Christian heritages.
I am not surprised,of course not pandering to the Muslim terrorists will lead to being attacked,of course until we agree to dhimmitude and forego all western ideals we will be subject to attack.
It has been part and parcel of Muslim history from day one,to subjugate and convert those it conquers,or force them to submit as inferiors.
And just ofr the record,Israel is not a very good ally or really an ally at all....
Israel looks out for Israel which is EXACTLY how a nation is supposed to act.
The USA would do well to do the same,people being murdered in Darfur,not our business....people dying of hunger or AIDS in Africa,too bad.
If people truly want the USA to butt out then they should be willing to accept it across the board.
I know I would love for the USA to withdraw from it's treay obligations,pull the US forces home from overseas and spend it's wealth here making the USA a better place.
Well yes of course if you do nothing to stop terrorism and promote it through either your apathy or your actual open support expect to suffer the consequences....
when 70% of palestinians support murdering others through suicide bombing I would hazard a guess they aren't THAT innocent.
And what would you say the average Palestinian woman, child, or sickly old man can do to rout out the crazy terrorists in their midsts? Go search for their houses and politely ask them to leave?
As will inadvertently living in the vicinity of those who espouse and promote the more violent radical versions of the Koran, thereby inviting the wrath of the indiscriminate IDF.
The remedy is simple, then. Discourage said esposition - especially when it incites the murder of jews.
"When Yahweh your God brings you into the land that you are about to enter and occupy, and he clears away many nations before you — the Hittites, the Girga****es, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites...and when Yahweh your God gives them over to you...you must utterly destroy them...Show them no mercy...For you are a people holy to Yahweh your God; Yahweh your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on earth to be his people, his treasured possession (Deuteronomy 7.1-11; see also 9.1-5; 11.8-9, 23, 31-32)."
"But as for the towns of these peoples that Yahweh your God is giving you as an inheritance, you must not let anything that breathes remain alive. You shall annihilate them—the Hittites and the Amorites, the Canaanites and the Perizzites, the Hivites and the Jebusites—just as Yahweh your God has commanded, so that they may not teach you to do all the abhorrent things that they do for their gods, and you thus sin against Yahweh your God (Deuteronomy 20.16-18)."
You first ....what other interpretation can those suras have?
Really?
They mean what they mean.
As to the quotes above,if perhaps there were mass terror attacks by Christians and Jews in the name of their respective religions you might have a point.
Another thing,if the Islamic terrorism is caused by the USA and it's involvement in the middle east,then why are Muslims terrorists murdering Buddhists in Thailand?
And what would you say the average Palestinian woman, child, or sickly old man can do to rout out the crazy terrorists in their midsts? Go search for their houses and politely ask them to leave?
How about not vote them into power?
When you vote FOR a terrorist group thats basic premise is the destruction of Israel don't expect much sympathy from the Israelis.
If you allow terrorism to flourish in your neighborhhod you have only yourself to blame.
Just as the German people were to blame for Nazism,even though they might not have supported the ideology.
Kind of like "if you live in a crime-ridden inner city it's your fault that the gangs and drugs are there, so don't complain?" Right, "parsenel respaansabalata."
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....what other interpretation can those suras have?