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Old 11-20-2007, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Near Manito
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And how does a single individual with 1,000 other worries + fear of reprisal go about doing that, exactly? Is it really that "simple?"
It begins with something as simple as not voting for Hamas...

 
Old 11-20-2007, 09:46 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Kind of like "if you live in a crime-ridden inner city it's your fault that the gangs and drugs are there, so don't complain?" Right, "parsenel respaansabalata."
If you do nothing to stop a problem you ARE part OF the problem.

It actually IS that simple.

If you CHOOSE(that pesky word) to condone gang violence in your neighborhood through your own apathy then you are part of the reason it exists.
 
Old 11-20-2007, 09:47 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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I am not surprised,of course not pandering to the Muslim terrorists will lead to being attacked,of course until we agree to dhimmitude and forego all western ideals we will be subject to attack.

It has been part and parcel of Muslim history from day one,to subjugate and convert those it conquers,or force them to submit as inferiors.

And just ofr the record,Israel is not a very good ally or really an ally at all....

Israel looks out for Israel which is EXACTLY how a nation is supposed to act.

The USA would do well to do the same,people being murdered in Darfur,not our business....people dying of hunger or AIDS in Africa,too bad.

If people truly want the USA to butt out then they should be willing to accept it across the board.

I know I would love for the USA to withdraw from it's treay obligations,pull the US forces home from overseas and spend it's wealth here making the USA a better place.

Thank you! Agreed! Take all the money we give to Israel and spend traipsing around the Middle East and use it on port security , intel and special forces development to actually combat terrorist cells. And let's help our own poor and homeless for a change. We aren't doing anything in Darfur anyway, are we? Private charities are there for AIDS help, instead of Bush spending billions of our tax dollars on promoting abstinence and fidelity in Africa which has not accomplished a darn thing anyway.
 
Old 11-20-2007, 09:49 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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It begins with something as simple as not voting for Hamas...
EXACTLY!!!

How can anyone seriously put forward that the Palestinians are innocent when they overwhelmingly voted for a group whose charter states "There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad"
 
Old 11-20-2007, 09:49 AM
 
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How about not vote them into power?

When you vote FOR a terrorist group thats basic premise is the destruction of Israel don't expect much sympathy from the Israelis.
The Palestinians didn't really have many choices... Hamas was considered to be the less corrupt and more domestically adept of the two major parties, while the Fatah government was considered to be crooked and ineffective, too used to holding power. For what it's worth, Hamas also refrained from threatening the existence of Israel during the campaign and also offered a 10-year ceasefire with Israel that was mostly honored for a long period of time. That's not to excuse or express sympathy with Hamas, as they do indeed follow an indefensible ideology and pursue it through indefensible means, but I think poor people tend to vote in their own economic interests and Hamas is the group that provides a for large amount of Israel's hospitals and social welfare, moreso than the Fatah-controlled PA.
 
Old 11-20-2007, 09:51 AM
 
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It begins with something as simple as not voting for Hamas...
See above.
 
Old 11-20-2007, 09:51 AM
 
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Thank you! Agreed! Take all the money we give to Israel and spend traipsing around the Middle East and use it on port security , intel and special forces development to actually combat terrorist cells. And let's help our own poor and homeless for a change. We aren't doing anything in Darfur anyway, are we? Private charities are there for AIDS help, instead of Bush spending billions of our tax dollars on promoting abstinence and fidelity in Africa which has not accomplished a darn thing anyway.
Well you were going good until the part about helping our own poor and homeless....that is not the purview of the federal government,let private individuals and groups do what is needed.
 
Old 11-20-2007, 09:52 AM
 
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If you do nothing to stop a problem you ARE part OF the problem.

It actually IS that simple.

If you CHOOSE(that pesky word) to condone gang violence in your neighborhood through your own apathy then you are part of the reason it exists.
I don't think you have to be apathetic to not know what to do about a problem, or to be afraid to "take action" for fear of your own life.
 
Old 11-20-2007, 09:55 AM
 
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The Palestinians didn't really have many choices... Hamas was considered to be the less corrupt and more domestically adept of the two major parties, while the Fatah government was considered to be crooked and ineffective, too used to holding power. For what it's worth, Hamas also refrained from threatening the existence of Israel during the campaign and also offered a 10-year ceasefire with Israel that was mostly honored for a long period of time. That's not to excuse or express sympathy with Hamas, as they do indeed follow an indefensible ideology and pursue it through indefensible means, but I think poor people tend to vote in their own economic interests and Hamas is the group that provides a for large amount of Israel's hospitals and social welfare, moreso than the Fatah-controlled PA.
It agreed IF Israel would withdraw from ALL the occupied land including East Jerusalem...and then promptly renounced the ceasefire after Israeli jets attacked targets in Gaza.

Those targets?Well oddly enough it was Hamas operatives smuggling weapons into Gaza.
 
Old 11-20-2007, 09:56 AM
 
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The Palestinians didn't really have many choices... Hamas was considered to be the less corrupt and more domestically adept of the two major parties, while the Fatah government was considered to be crooked and ineffective, too used to holding power. For what it's worth, Hamas also refrained from threatening the existence of Israel during the campaign and also offered a 10-year ceasefire with Israel that was mostly honored for a long period of time. That's not to excuse or express sympathy with Hamas, as they do indeed follow an indefensible ideology and pursue it through indefensible means, but I think poor people tend to vote in their own economic interests and Hamas is the group that provides a for large amount of Israel's hospitals and social welfare, moreso than the Fatah-controlled PA.
Nice choices, I agree: murderers or thieves.

And it was big of Hamas to promise not to attack Israel while they were busy seizing control of Gaza. They had other fish to fry: intimidating, murderering, and kidnapping Fatah supporters.

Good lord. How can you possibly argue that these people have ANY credibility? Or that Israel needs to make yet more concessions to them?

(I am sure you meant "gaza's", not "Israel's" in your last sentence...)
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