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Old 10-23-2013, 03:00 PM
 
Location: Beautiful NNJ
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Originally Posted by AeroGuyDC View Post
I don't think it will take "years" to determine solvency. The government has estimated 7 million sign-ups in the first year, a number that government actuaries have determined to require at least 40% of those sign-ups to be young and healthy. In other words, anything short of 7 million sign-ups could automatically put pressure on the system. If fewer than 40% of the less than 7 million signups are young and healthy, the problems are exacerbated substantially. If ACA does not meet those thresholds, it's reasonable to conclude that a top-heavy system will cause insurer losses relatively rapidly. Do you think private insurers will stay in the exchanges if they are seeing repetitive losses? If they bail, who will provide insurance? This is a hyper supply-demand market, even with government subsidies.

The law, as written, is premised on young people signing up for insurance instead of electing to pay the fine. Nothing.....repeat nothing....compels a young person to sign up for insurance. And if they don't, then ACA teeter's into the abyss.

Are you comfortable with this kind of gamble? Is that what you consider to be good stewardship of your tax dollars?
There's more to the equation than just premium dollars in. The new laws will allow people to prioritize preventive treatment and routine care, which should--over time--lessen the burden of treating crises brought on by unmanaged chronic conditions, or conditions caught too late for early treatment.

Solvency as it pertains to the short-term dollars in and out is *A* measure of success. If over five years we find that the demand on emergency rooms is lessened because more previously uninsured people are taking better care of themselves, wouldn't you say that is also a measure of success? And that isn't going to be evident at the end of 2014.

 
Old 10-23-2013, 03:23 PM
 
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Athough the OP's assessment of ACA may be rosey and premature, I can see conservative's consternation as they have so little experience in initiating any major legislation in a generation.

This whole ACA and roll out thing is a newby for GOPers. When was the last major legislation rolled-out by the GOP?

Reagan's 1984 Amnesty?
Clinton/Gingrich 1996 Welfare Reform?

GOP has been more focused on providing us Wars and Financial collapse.
Since when do people who think government does too much make a habit of rolling out nation, future, life-destroying, and industry-destroying programs from the government?
 
Old 10-23-2013, 03:24 PM
 
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There's more to the equation than just premium dollars in. The new laws will allow people to prioritize preventive treatment and routine care, which should--over time--lessen the burden of treating crises brought on by unmanaged chronic conditions, or conditions caught too late for early treatment.
There's nothing stopping people now. Don't EVEN pretend this about enabling people to be preventative.
 
Old 10-23-2013, 03:56 PM
 
Location: The Lone Star State
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I'm not paid a dime by anyone with exception to my employer. However, I do find it irritating that you mouthbreathers suck down the preverbial froth that spews forth from the stubby end of fox news' appendage.

The healthcare law isn't a website...it is simply a tool. A tool that will be fixed. A tool that is having problems because of it's massive volume of users.

No where except in GOP land is something a failure and "destined to fail" when it is so popular that it's servers can't manage the traffic.
We'll excuse me that I see a brand new member making threads that look like they were copied directly from an email propaganda blast of some sort.

As for the rest... not worth bothering with partisan drivel blabbering.
 
Old 10-23-2013, 04:40 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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You should pay a penalty for not having medical coverage. It is as simple as that. Regardless of whether you're covered or not you still get treatment...it just becomes everyone elses problem. And yes the website isn't working right now but this website has existed for 22 days. The issues will eventually be resolved. There are no excuses for the site not working as it should be right now, but the site architect's are probably working around the clock to get it fixed. At my work when we have software rollouts or new prod rollouts if ANY QA issues surface we work round the clock to resolve them. I could only imagine the work they are putting in right now.
it's still just about 1/6th of the time period of the open enrollment period to prevent the mandate tax year 1. So in 1/6th of the time, we have seen 20,000 a day which is a pace that is not enough to reach the marks Obamacare needs, somewhere north of 7 million people enrolled and at least 40% of that being young healthy people. For young, healthy people they are less likely to work along the phone lines, navigators and faxed applications. If they can't get the online application, they will do what I did, throw up my hands and give up. Why, because they want things done fast and now.
 
Old 10-23-2013, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Flatlander
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Default Twitter VS Ted Cruz--Guess what Teddy...ACA ain't that bad!

Naturally after the shutdown ended, Ted Cruz (moron) took his victory lap on the press tour. After the horrid PR beatdown the GOP took, he made a series of statements to the effect that every American will see premium increases, the USA is now the Soviet Union, the world will come to and end, fire will rain from the heavens, etc. etc. It is fantasic for me as a liberal to see Ted Cruz insert his foot in his mouth on a daily basis. The more this guy in on TV the worse the right-wing looks. Everyone blames you people for the shutdown and the GOP is polling awfully...but I digress.

Well...Apparently other people don't feel quite like Ted with regards to the ACA and it's "apocalyptic" outcomes. Enclosed are tons of tweets of Obamacare success stories. Now, naturally the TP loudmouths on this site are going to immediately say that the source is bad, these people are paid, we don't like the info so it must be wrong, blah blah blah. But regardless...enclosed are a slew of people that are happy with the ACA so far.

Ted Cruz vs. Twitter: Does Obamacare Hurt Americans? | Mother Jones
 
Old 10-23-2013, 04:46 PM
 
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Naturally after the shutdown ended, Ted Cruz (moron) took his victory lap on the press tour. After the horrid PR beatdown the GOP took, he made a series of statements to the effect that every American will see premium increases, the USA is now the Soviet Union, the world will come to and end, fire will rain from the heavens, etc. etc. It is fantasic for me as a liberal to see Ted Cruz insert his foot in his mouth on a daily basis. The more this guy in on TV the worse the right-wing looks. Everyone blames you people for the shutdown and the GOP is polling awfully...but I digress.

Well...Apparently other people don't feel quite like Ted with regards to the ACA and it's "apocalyptic" outcomes. Enclosed are tons of tweets of Obamacare success stories. Now, naturally the TP loudmouths on this site are going to immediately say that the source is bad, these people are paid, we don't like the info so it must be wrong, blah blah blah. But regardless...enclosed are a slew of people that are happy with the ACA so far.

Ted Cruz vs. Twitter: Does Obamacare Hurt Americans? | Mother Jones
 
Old 10-23-2013, 04:49 PM
 
Location: Here
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#WhoCares
 
Old 10-23-2013, 04:50 PM
 
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#OFAatWork
 
Old 10-23-2013, 04:54 PM
 
Location: Flatlander
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#WhoCares
You do.

Because it spells an end to your ideologically and morally void faction that has proven itself to be a skidmark on the undershorts of American political discourse.

#Boom
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