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Literally, in every country that a form of universal healthcare exists, the cost as a % of the GDP has gone down. Hell, you would think that the GOP would be on board for universal healthcare. Despite all of the whining and conjecture...Universal healthcare in any capacity has shown itself in literally every example to drive down the cost of treatment by most every objective measure. Further, it's treatment quality and key measures are by and large comparable to ours.
What in the hell are you people so against universal healthcare? LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY THAT HAS A WELL MANAGED UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE SYSTEM HAS THE FOLLOWING SUCCESSES OVER OURS:
-It costs less as a % of the GDP.
-It has comparable coverage.
-It's metrics are better. (FYI the WHO ranked us 33rd...thats not that good.)
-It keeps the "deadbeats" from rolling into the ER with the sniffles.
-It drives down the cost of treatment itself, as opposed to just minimzing insurance costs.
-It provides for greater liberty for our citizens because lets be honest...Security is better liberty than Somali-grade "freedom."
I just don't get you people and your thought process.
The hold-up is that Democrats/liberals won't take the step required to make such a system work:implementing a HIGHLY REGRESSIVE tax system. More info here: //www.city-data.com/forum/31923457-post57.html
The hold-up is that Democrats/liberals won't take the step required to make such a system work:implementing a HIGHLY REGRESSIVE tax system. More info here: //www.city-data.com/forum/31923457-post57.html
That's the same thing I've been saying all along. Not against single payer (I am a fiscal conservative Republican).
Germany's system taxes almost every taxpayer earning between 20-80K about 8.5% of their income as a separate health tax PLUS they still have co-pays. Employer contributes 7% of the income in health taxes as well.
Single payer isn't cheap. Germany and other countries have faced tremendous pressure trying to keep their own costs down. They had to raise the individual health taxes by 1% recently.
But the key is having a mass majority of the "common" people pay for single payer.
Democrats are too afraid to admit this will have to be the case. They do not want their tax base (especially those making in the 20-50K range) to know that that income range group will also have to poney up more in taxes with a single payer system.
The "Defund" effort was prior to the Oct 1 rollout - and quickly went away. The next move was the "Delay" effort, which Obama, Reid and the Democrats fought against tooth and nail. I though both moves (and often said so here) were crazy. Obama was a FOOL for not taking the "Delay" - he was drunk on his own Magical Kool-Aid and his massive Ego got caught up in the mess.
Now he is in the impossible position of what to do with a Failed Program - if he "Delays" (and he will probably be forced to do that), then he is proving that the GOP and the entire cause of the Shut-Down were absolutely correct to try and Delay ObamaCare because it was just not ready. I'm now thinking that the GOP had some inside knowledge from the techs and inside HHS that this was a disaster.
Interesting concept... let the Dems sabotage themselves with a very public Obamacare website failure that experts are now saying won't be fixed for months, if ever.
As everyone knows, the young and healthy that Obama needs to buy insurance to make Obamacare work are extremely tech savvy. Given that, the Obama Admin rolls out this tech clusterf*ck, which serves to drive the tech savvy away in droves. WTF were Obama and the Dems thinking?
Yes, there is no way that Obama has hired millions of telephone answerers to talk to 50 million uninsured and help them get signed up. In fact it's obvious that the administration meant for it's website to work and would have hired and trained very few telephone workers so if callers are able to get through to one, it means there are very few callers.
Obama supporters and supporters of the ACA know this is a mess - the New York Times, Huffington Post, Firedog Lake, Washington Post, National Journal ..... all that articles that are detailing the problems. None of them believe this is a "kink" or a "glitch" - the consider it a Disaster.
A couple of other things that are traveling a bit under the radar. There are several Lawsuits concerning the IRS and ObamaCare and the Subsidies and ObamaCare. Turns out that the way the ACA is actually written - only those States that set up their own Exchanges can offer Subsidies. The Federal Exchanges can't offer Subsidies - the CBO has based all their cost figures on this part of the law. There are 36 Federal Exchanges I think.
WOW. No wonder we're getting reports from Obamacare's IT workers and insurance carriers that the Obamacare website is giving people artificially low prices for insurance premiums; they're deducting subsidies that will not even apply.
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Another major "kink" - they don't have any of the ObamaCare web-site in Spanish (which was promised to be ready last week).
Freudian slip... Obama and the Dems don't really give a sh*t about the Hispanic population, they just want their votes.
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Added to all the other misery - Millions of people are losing their Insurance and will have ZERO coverage if this isn't "fixed" by Nov 15. These are people who had insurance and were Promised they could keep their insurance.
Yep. Just recently, Florida Blue sent 300,000 policy termination notices.
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ObamaCare is going to destroy our entire system ....... soon.
It'll implode before that, but there will be significant carnage.
Obamacare will go down in history as one of the biggest political fiascos of all time. Without a doubt.
WOW. No wonder we're getting reports from Obamacare's IT workers and insurance carriers that the Obamacare website is giving people artificially low prices for insurance premiums; they're deducting subsidies that will not even apply.
It's going to get worse - the hearings will start soon. The Canadian tech company (CGI Group) is not going to take the fall for this Failure - a lot of information should be coming out that meeting, they are already giving some previews of what they will say. ObamaCare is like everything else connected to Obama - it's 150% Politics. Congress is having a briefing today on the Roll-out Debacle, but ONLY to the Democrats. They will be getting their marching orders on Damage Control. An HHS official will meet with House Democrats on Wednesday; GOP wants briefing too.
The White House is still in "Secret Mode" - they don't want any news to leak out because they want to pretend it's all going to be "fixed" any minute now. We don't know who is working on it, we don't know what is really wrong, we don't know how much code will have to be re-done, we don't know if the entire system will have to be re-written, we don't know how many people registered, we don't know how many people enrolled and we don't know if a single person has actually written a check and bought their insurance. We don't know the Cost ..... and that's key. They have moved a Trouble Shooter over from OMB to help "Manage" the Debacle. He knows nothing about insurance and nothing about computer systems or Web Design. His job (and everyone else's right now) is to 'distance' the White House from the Debacle - Sebelius began that 'distance' in her interview yesterday when she said that Obama and the White House knew nothing about any problems prior to October 1. It's too late for that - there are already a lot of reports about Obama's fingers in the pie and his constant briefings.
Also Tuesday, the White House deflected questions about its role in crucial decisions about the website. CGI Federal Inc., a unit of CGI Group, told investigators on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee last week that a key decision to require all visitors to the site to create accounts in order to browse insurance offerings was made by federal officials barely a month before the site opened. That decision, later reversed, was a leading factor in the initial bottlenecks that many visitors encountered.
During discussions, officials at the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, which built the HealthCare.gov site, indicated they were following the White House's lead, CGI told the committee. White House Press Secretary Jay Carney declined to describe the White House's role, saying the question of who was to blame is less important than fixing the problems.
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Freudian slip... Obama and the Dems don't really give a sh*t about the Hispanic population, they just want their votes.
Well it's a whole 'nother discussion, but I don't think Obama cares one way or the other about the votes from immigration reform. Obama is about Obama - those 'votes' won't help him any, they will come too late for that. I think "Immigration Reform" (which I think we really need, but not the Dem plan) is nothing but a Political Cudgel for Obama - you will notice that the talk of "Immigration Reform" always ramps up right before an election with a bunch of old promises of "this time". Hispanics are well aware of this. It's not going to help any that there is no Spanish Language web-site like they have been promised.
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Yep. Just recently, Florida Blue sent 300,000 policy termination notices.
It'll implode before that, but there will be significant carnage.
Obamacare will go down in history as one of the biggest political fiascos of all time. Without a doubt.
These reports from States all across the Nation have been trickling out one by one for the last couple of years -- there must be Millions by now that HAD Insurance and now don't. We are no longer talking about the people who didn't have insurance - that 80% in the USA that DID have insurance and now don't is growing. These are people that could pay for insurance, that did buy insurance and now can't because they are supposed to go to HealthCare.gov to get their insurance ..... and they can't.
The Kiddos are now getting the information that they are the suckers that Obama was counting on to pay for everyone else because the Media is finally reporting on it. This is the real group that Obama should be afraid of. The Far Left media like Salon.com is already going after the New York Times, the New Yorker, Washington Post and some Leftist bloggers for daring to report on the Failures and the Debacle. They are all in full Crisis Control and trying to distance the President from all of it.
Meanwhile, Obama is producing videos Begging his OFA to help save ObamaCare (and that is what he is calling it) and he is fund-raising off the Failure of his "Legacy" program Failure. He is denying reality and drunk on his own Kool-Aid. The more he Begs and claims it's going to be OK, the more people will think he is dis-connected and they will remember that the GOP fought hard to Delay this Debacle so that at least those that had Insurance, 40 hour a week jobs and a Doctor .... could "keep them".
Obamacare is a complete trainwreck. Anyone who thinks that it's going to work at this point has their head in the sand. Only thing to do now is to throw it out the window. Republicans were right the whole time.
You want to know something interesting? Obama, and his other Posse members, made themselves exempt from the ACA. Why don't they want it? That should make you question it big time!
The Core of the ACA Works Just Fine...The Website will come.
It's entertaining to watch the GOP practically salivate over the issues the website has had under some misguided hope that this spells the end of the ACA.
Here are a few things to remember.
1). Most Americans already have health insurance, so the website is of no relevance to them.
2). Because of the law...an array of new benefits are available even to those that don't need the website.
3). 26 year olds can stay on their parents insurance.
4). 80% of paid premium has to be spent on care.
5). No more denials for pre-existing conditions.
6). Seniors have new discounts for their prescriptions.
7). You can call 800-318-2596 to apply for healthcare
8). You can print off the PDF of the healthcare application and mail it in.
The ACA is moving along JUST fine. Despite your best efforts and conjecture...The administration is still committed to providing coverage for all Americans.
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The Core of the ACA Works Just Fine...The Website will come.
