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Old 11-30-2013, 12:40 AM
 
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That makes it your responsibility to develop marketable skills. And you have job placement services, career assessments, job outlook projections, education grants and guaranteed student loans, and career counselors to help you do that.

If you're 30 years old and bagging groceries full time because you dropped out of school, it's not the rich man's fault, it's your fault.

And if you graduate with $30,000 in student debt and a fine arts degree that gets you no job prospects, that is again your own fault.

Your statement that it's up to the marketplace which one you are and that you are only worth as much as someone is willing to pay you are technically correct, but they make it sound as if you are a victim of circumstance. You are not. You have resources available which you can use to find out what skills the marketplace wants to pay for, and you can go out and learn them.

A college degree used to have considerable value; now degree-holders are commonplace and therefore are a dime a dozen. Your credentials become redundant and of negligible value when distributed widely.
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Old 11-30-2013, 12:45 AM
 
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You work, you save, you scrimp, you invest, you work hard, you sacrifice. Hopefully you make a profit. It might take years. That's how it's done.

Realistically, burger flippers don't (have the capital to) open burger joints.
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Old 11-30-2013, 12:47 AM
 
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Government cheese with cyanide pills embedded in the product would greatly reduce burdens on the taxpayer.

Hydrogen or potassium?
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Old 11-30-2013, 04:00 AM
 
Location: Houston
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Hydrogen or potassium?
Whichever one is cheaper.
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Old 11-30-2013, 04:42 AM
bUU
 
Location: Florida
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And another thread where right-wingers twist and squirm and evade at all costs admitting their true perspective, that they couldn't care less about other people, that all they care about is themselves and their own comfort and luxury, and that if what serves their own desires best "dumps poor people over a cliff" that's fine with them.
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Old 11-30-2013, 05:11 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Who in their right mind supports low wages? Low wage workers are a burden on the tax payer. Shouldn't everyone who works full time have the means to support himself? Not supporting this concept is akin to supporting slavery. What kind of jerk do you have to be to want full time workers to make starvation wages?
So, in your mind, every job should be one on which one can support a family? Buy a home? A McDonald's order taker should make, how much, $50,000/year? More? Can you imagine what you would be asked to pay for that Big Mac? McDonald's would be forced to close, because no one would pay for a Big Mac priced high enough to pay employees that kind of money.

Have you ever bothered to think through your misguided musings?
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Old 11-30-2013, 05:16 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Profit above all else is the most important. It's gotten worse than in the old days.
What were the "old days?"

Of course profit is important. That is the reason for going into business. With no profit motive, you wouldn't have a car to drive, a TV, computer, iPhone, etc.

All of our modern conveniences came about because someone saw the opportunity for profit. No profit, no innovation.

Why is this such a hard concept for liberals?

How much risk would you take for no personal gain?
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Old 11-30-2013, 05:30 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Here's my question - why do some not see the connection between low wages paid by Walmart et al and federal welfare programs funded by tax dollars? Why should tax payers be burdened with paying a portion of the living expenses of other peoples employees?
Your entire premise is baseless. It isn't Walmart, Target, K-Mart or any other retailer that puts people on welfare, which has been expanded to the point that it pays people not to seek employment.

It's not even worth arguing with your kind of ignorance.
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Old 11-30-2013, 05:47 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Because these people are disconnected from reality?

Even if a person can work 40 hours at minimum wage, there's a good chance those people are living paycheck to paycheck, and in need of assistance. Government assistance, be it state or federal is a safety net for some, but even that doesn't make up the differences entirely. Add those two factors together, and people are still living with their eyeballs just above water, one medical issue can sink them.

It's not just Walmart either, the fast food industry, the hospitality industry, anywhere basically that refuses to pay more than minimum wages is in my opinion morally corrupt. Those same businesses will scream bloody murder when asked why they don't pay more saying it's important to make a profit to provide people with jobs, a vicious circle.
Of course people like you know how to run a business, right?

How many jobs do you know of that don't pay more than minimum wage? Please list them, and the name of the company.

What is your educational background which gives you the knowledge and understanding of business practices, and wage scales, that you claim to know so much about? Just curious.

What do you know about retailing? You might be surprised to learn how small the profit margins are at a store like Target, Walmart, etc., or even a department store.

By the way, my wife spent her entire career in retailing, from the selling floor (and she was expected to sell, not just straighten racks and put out merchandise), to general manager of 3 (not all at the same time) upscale department stores in the San Diego area (Buffum's). Her three stores were Fashion Valley, Grossmont Center, and finally the Lomas Santa Fe Buffum's.

She had previously worked for Walker Scott Company (San Diego), Mongomery Ward (also in San Diego), and for a short time as a manager at one of the San Diego Target stores.

At none of her jobs was she paid only minimum wage.
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Old 11-30-2013, 05:52 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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And another thread where right-wingers twist and squirm and evade at all costs admitting their true perspective, that they couldn't care less about other people, that all they care about is themselves and their own comfort and luxury, and that if what serves their own desires best "dumps poor people over a cliff" that's fine with them.
And you know this because ... ?

I'm curious. Who teaches people like you this kind of crap? I'll bet you are an avid 'Think Progress' reader. You certainly spread all the usual Leftist propaganda.
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