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Old 12-19-2013, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Upper Bucks County, PA.
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Thanks to the misguided efforts of the NRA, American gun owners will soon find themselves the more "well regulated".
That was kinda like a little kid making a big production out of a fart . . . they always vastly overestimate the impact on others.
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Old 12-19-2013, 07:06 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, California
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It's the only amendment dealing with a tool that can be used to kill people or cause egregious violence.
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Old 12-19-2013, 08:23 PM
 
Location: Itinerant
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It's the only amendment dealing with a tool that can be used to kill people or cause egregious violence.
No the 1st Amendment also deals with a tool that can be used to kill people or cause egregious violence too.

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Old 12-19-2013, 09:29 PM
 
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No the 1st Amendment also deals with a tool that can be used to kill people or cause egregious violence too.

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Please elaborate. Guess I'm not quite clear on your train of thought on this.
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Old 12-19-2013, 10:22 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, California
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No the 1st Amendment also deals with a tool that can be used to kill people or cause egregious violence too.

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Okay.

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Old 12-19-2013, 10:33 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Please elaborate. Guess I'm not quite clear on your train of thought on this.
A religion or free press that incites people to riot could be construed as a "tool" that could be used to cause "egregious violence."

Which is why we have laws prohibiting such practices. Just like we have laws prohibiting firearm use under certain conditions. "Tools" of all kinds can be abused, but that does not mean we should ban them.
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Old 12-19-2013, 10:39 PM
 
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A religion or free press that incites people to riot could be construed as a "tool" that could be used to cause "egregious violence."

Which is why we have laws prohibiting such practices. Just like we have laws prohibiting firearm use under certain conditions. "Tools" of all kinds can be abused, but that does not mean we should ban them.
So you're comparing free speech or freedom of religion to a deadly weapon? Maybe in some realm, but not in mine. Sorry.
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Old 12-19-2013, 11:36 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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So you're comparing free speech or freedom of religion to a deadly weapon? Maybe in some realm, but not in mine. Sorry.
All are just as deadly, if used to that end.
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Old 12-20-2013, 12:38 AM
 
Location: Itinerant
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Please elaborate. Guess I'm not quite clear on your train of thought on this.
How many people did Stalin personally kill? How many people did Mao, or Pol Pot? Or Hirohito in China? Or any of the hundreds of dictators in the history of the world? Did Kim Jong-Un just personally execute his uncle?

Did "Little Boy" or "Fat Man" just spontaneously choose to load themselves into aircraft bound for Hiroshima and Nagasaki respectively, and dive from the bomb bays of their aircraft once over them? No they were ordered, and in that case on the orders of FDR.

That said how many people died at the orders of Stalin, or Mao, or Pol Pot? How many died in China? How many died at Hiroshima or Nagasaki. How many have died because someone said their were Weapons of Mass destruction in Iraq? Regardless of whether you believe there was or was not WMD's of course if there were not, then someone lied, you understand the meaning of the word lie I assume.

Someone has a gun they can kill maybe 20-30 people before someone stops them, and they're either very, very good, or those 20-30 people are disarmed.

Someone with a voice can kill thousands, hundreds of thousands, or millions, and it's been done many times. It's why philosophers have always believed the pen is mightier than the sword, and the voice is certainly mightier than the gun.

The argument was the 2nd amendment is "It's the only amendment dealing with a tool that can be used to kill people or cause egregious violence".

If that were true, then Stalin wouldn't be infamous, or Pol Pot, the Chinese wouldn't have had 20-35 million killed, Hiroshima and Nagasaki would not have been Nuked, and Iraq would not have been invaded.
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Old 12-20-2013, 01:46 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles, California
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Sorry, but no. You need a license for the 2nd Amendment because you are purchasing a deadly weapon along with ammunition for said weapon.

It's the only amendment that deals with a tool used to kill people. Get over it.
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