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Old 01-02-2014, 12:09 AM
 
Location: Stasis
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De facto, the request for an EpiPen IS communication of the seriousness of the situation.

De facto, the request for a fire extinguisher comes BEFORE the fire department arrives or is even called.

You may be suffering from sequence misfolding.

It's that "common sense" thing again.
No, people buy Epipens and fire extinguishers every day and it's not an emergency.

 
Old 01-02-2014, 12:12 AM
 
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Oh!

Hearsay.

I get it now.

The drugstore is a court of law.
According the newspaper - police have reviewed the store's video and audio - and on it the daughter stayed outside and the mother did not communicate the urgency of the request.
 
Old 01-02-2014, 12:17 AM
 
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According the newspaper - police have reviewed the store's video and audio - and on it the daughter stayed outside and the mother did not communicate the urgency of the request.
Immaterial, due to the mother's request for an EpiPen.

The term "EpiPen" would just SCREAM "urgency", to a non brain dead pharmacist, don't ya think?

The mother's body language made it clear that she wasn't there on a scavenger hunt.
 
Old 01-02-2014, 12:22 AM
 
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No, people buy Epipens and fire extinguishers every day and it's not an emergency.
Except for those times when it IS an emergency!
 
Old 01-02-2014, 04:43 AM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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At the time, she needed an EpiPen, not a doctor.

You only need a doctor when you are still alive.

These are the fundamentals that most people can easily grasp.
I disagree with you.

Just because someone wants an EpiPen, doesn't mean they need it, or have a script for it.

Let's play devils advocate. What if the woman went rushing inside to get an epipen, because something was happening to her daughter, and she had heard an epipen would help reduce or stop the problem. The pharmacist, instead of following the law, panics and gives it to her, she runs out, injects the daughter, the daughter has a reaction and dies.

There is a reason for requiring a prescription, and a LAW preventing the dispensing of drugs without a proper prescription.

If you want to place blame for this situation, place it on the mother, who KNEW her daughter had a severe allergy, and HAD a prescription for the epipen, and failed to carry it with her at ALL times.

I am a Dad. If my daughter was in that situation, you can damn well believe I would have it with me and one on her at ALL times.
 
Old 01-02-2014, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Camberville
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De facto, the request for an EpiPen IS communication of the seriousness of the situation.

De facto, the request for a fire extinguisher comes BEFORE the fire department arrives or is even called.

You may be suffering from sequence misfolding.

It's that "common sense" thing again.

Common sense: You don't take your peanut allergy child to a buffet or a Chinese restaurant - and certainly not both. You do not go into ANY restaurant without communicating your child's condition so to avoid cross contamination. You pay attention to what your daughter puts on her plate (and frankly, by 14, should have taught the daughter better) so that when you see her putting something labeled with nuts on her plate, you can stop her. YOU ALWAYS CARRY AN EPI PEN. YOUR DAUGHTER ALWAYS CARRIES AN EPI PEN. When you realize there's a reaction and you don't have your epi on you, you call an ambulance who can be at the ready with not only an epi pen, but a drip and get your child to the hospital. Epi pens don't save the day- they just buy more time to get to a hospital in severe reactions. '

Given that the daughter died minutes after leaving the pharmacy, it's not likely that the epi would have saved her anyway. Her mother killed her.
 
Old 01-02-2014, 11:00 AM
 
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Common sense:

Given that the daughter died minutes after leaving the pharmacy, it's not likely that the epi would have saved her anyway. Her mother killed her.
Oh, are you a doctor now?
 
Old 01-02-2014, 11:05 AM
 
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I disagree with you.

Just because someone wants an EpiPen, doesn't mean they need it, or have a script for it.

The pharmacist, instead of following the law, panics and gives it to her, she runs out, injects the daughter, the daughter has a reaction and dies.
EpiPens are anti-reaction devices.

Maybe there are many pharmacists who don't know this.

Conservatives are cowardly reactionaries; their first reaction is, always to protect themselves, even when they are not clearly threatened.
 
Old 01-02-2014, 11:11 AM
 
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Common sense: Her mother killed her.
Crime: The pharmacist killed her.

Both wrong.

The girl had a lethal reaction to a conservative pharmacist.

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Old 01-02-2014, 01:10 PM
 
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EpiPens are anti-reaction devices.

Maybe there are many pharmacists who don't know this.

Conservatives are cowardly reactionaries; their first reaction is, always to protect themselves, even when they are not clearly threatened.
The pharmacist should have jabbed himself with a first EpiPen, and then the girl with a second EpiPen.
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