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Old 11-28-2007, 02:04 PM
 
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Or misinformed, most of the Hamas candidates refrained from talking about the more radical aspects of their charter (Islamic law, expulsion of Israel) during the election.
Ummm,are you seriously trying to say the voters there didn't KNOW Hamas' stance re: Israel?
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Old 11-28-2007, 02:04 PM
 
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"Adding to the unavoidable impression that they are devious as well as violent."

Or pragmatic/cunning as well as violent, but I guess those are synonyms... on the other hand that kind of makes them sound like Henry Kissinger
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Old 11-28-2007, 02:05 PM
 
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In a recent Pew poll,70% of Palestinians polled thought suicide bombing of civilians justified....but they are all just dupes.
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Old 11-28-2007, 02:07 PM
 
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Ummm,are you seriously trying to say the voters there didn't KNOW Hamas' stance re: Israel?
I'm not sure they have too many top-notch politcal education classes down in the West Bank, although I could be wrong. However, Hamas offered a 10-year ceasefire that was mostly honored for an extended period of time and some of its leaders have considered recognizing Israel, which doesn't excuse them from the many wrongs they've committed but does seem to make the election results possibly less the result of a "widespread national hatred and insanity among the entire populace."
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Old 11-28-2007, 02:07 PM
 
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Yes, as Americans we're intimately familiar with the ease with which one may start up a successful new party and break up the old power structure while winning the support of a majority of the populace, we've had what, like 3 Libertarian Party presidents in the past century and 7 Greens make it to the national debates, right?
Yes, and our major parties have become more inclusive and have broadened their appeal in response to popular reformist groups.

Think gold standard. The Homestead act. Abolition. Prohibition. Women's suffrage. Civil rights.

I can't think of any moderating change in the Palestinian political scene. It's death to the jews now, just as its always been.
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Old 11-28-2007, 02:20 PM
 
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In a recent Pew poll,70% of Palestinians polled thought suicide bombing of civilians justified....but they are all just dupes.
Also, 72% of Israelis thought the use of nuclear weapons justified

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/908725.html

which would generally kill far more civillians than any suicide bomb, but what's strange is that the Palestinian territories were the only Muslim area surveyed where the support for suicide bombing was a majority... in Hezbollah-dominated Lebanon about 70% were completely against it. Could the higher number in the territories have something to do with desparation stemming from oppression? Which isn't to say that suicide bombings against civillians are justified in any way, but is the use of nuclear weapons any more justified?
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Old 11-28-2007, 02:22 PM
 
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"Adding to the unavoidable impression that they are devious as well as violent."

Or pragmatic/cunning as well as violent, but I guess those are synonyms... on the other hand that kind of makes them sound like Henry Kissinger
Except that the only thing Kissinger ever hit was a bottle of Chivas.
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Old 11-28-2007, 02:23 PM
 
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Also, 72% of Israelis thought the use of nuclear weapons justified

Poll: 72% of Israelis back use of nuclear arms in certain circumstances - Haaretz - Israel News

which would generally kill far more civillians than any suicide bomb, but what's strange is that the Palestinian territories were the only Muslim area surveyed where the support for suicide bombing was a majority... in Hezbollah-dominated Lebanon about 70% were completely against it. Could the higher number in the territories have something to do with desparation stemming from oppression? Which isn't to say that suicide bombings against civillians are justified in any way, but is the use of nuclear weapons any more justified?
I think it shows that the Lebanese are damn sick and tired of Hezbollah hding among their homes and businesses. Wouldn't you be?
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Old 11-28-2007, 02:24 PM
 
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It is immaterial what the Israelis think,what matters in the Palestinians overwhelmingly favor the use of terror against civilians....

So the idea they voted in Hamas by accident is doubtful.
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Old 11-28-2007, 02:47 PM
 
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Yes, and our major parties have become more inclusive and have broadened their appeal in response to popular reformist groups.

Think gold standard. The Homestead act. Abolition. Prohibition. Women's suffrage. Civil rights.
How long did all of those take to happen?
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