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I was always a strong proponent of the death penalty but not anymore, one person on death row that is innocent is one too many. How many are they up to now that were released?
The Innocence Project has gotten 312 people released. Since they only count the ones they worked on using DNA evidence, the real number must be many times that.
Well, I'm here to disagree. I don't think it is abused, and there are years of appeals (probably too many) that allow for all doubt to be eliminated.
The death penalty is just punishment for the crime of murder, and it is prescribed by God (and I don't care if you are an atheist, that's your problem). "If a man sheds another mans blood, by man shall his blood be shed."
Man was made in the image of God. Therefore, murder is a crime against God himself. Ipse dixit!
It doesn't matter what your religious beliefs are. The separation of church and state renders your biblical reasoning moot.
Burned at the stake? Have your guts ripped out on stage? Drowned? Crucifixion?
All popular ways to kill people in the past.
I agree with the death penalty in some cases. But we are not sick and sadistic like the people we are executing. Personally I think a lethal dose of morphine would be just fine.
But, I think it it is enforced, it should be done cheaply, quickly, and as humanely and painlessly as possible. Thus I support the abolition of lethal injection and the electric chair in favor of the good, old-fashioned bullet.
If I were to be executed, I would choose the firing squad myself.
Project Innocence lists 140+ people who were released from Death Row with full pardons, acquittals or dismissal of charges. Often after years on Death Row, often after masve attempts at obstruction from the judicial system who put them there. How many innocents are you OK with?
I do not care if I personally witnessed the crime, no government should ever be empowered with the authority to execute one of its own citizens. It has absolutely nothing to do with the issue of guilt or innocence, and absolutely everything to do with trust.
No government can be trusted. That is not skepticism, but merely fact. Even the founding fathers did not trust the very government they were creating, which is why they included all those "checks and balances." If the founders did not trust the government they created, why should we?
A "life sentence" means 7 years in prison before becoming eligible for parole. Because of parole we have to have two different "life sentences:" 1) Life; or 2) Life without parole. As long as parole exists, there can never be "Truth In Sentencing." There should also be no "time off for 'good' behavior," or half-way houses. If someone is convicted and sentenced to a specific time in prison, they serve every day of that sentence behind bars.
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Originally Posted by thecoalman
I was always a strong proponent of the death penalty but not anymore, one person on death row that is innocent is one too many. How many are they up to now that were released?
Gents, we don't agree on much, but I am right with you on this one.
I think the recent controversy over the new execution drug protocol in Ohio's lethal injection is just another example of liberalism backfiring, kinda like "smart growth" forcing development even further out into other counties or states that don't have those laws. Ohio wouldn't have had to "experiment" with this new drug combo if the liberal European countries didn't ban their companies from selling death penalty products to the United States.
Now with all the concerns about suffering of the condemned (never mind that the executed killer didn't show any mercy to the pregnant woman he raped and murdered) and the cost of the death penalty, including the cost of the lethal injection drugs or operating the death chamber (don't know WHY these things cost so much) maybe we should just execute people the old fashioned way, with a simple bullet in the head.
That will be simple, cheap, and instant. Many states have a backlog of executions because of the shortage of execution drugs. I wonder why we can't produce those chemicals ourselves here in the US I yet its liberal pressure too. North Carolina has the death penalty but the medical board there refuses to allow physicians to participate in executions and state law says without a doctor they can't have a lethal injection. (I'll bet my bottom dollar this same medical board is not against banning doctors from performing partial birth abortions).
So to save money and to assuage the fears of the criminal suffering, I think its best we just use the firing squad, and the best option would be the condemned tied to a chair, the executioner presses the pistol in the back of his head and pulls the trigger. Nothing cruel or unusual about that.
Firing squad? What about real, old-fashion executions? I say we bring back stoning, impaling, crucifixion, quartering, and throwing people to the lions for starters.
I was always a strong proponent of the death penalty but not anymore, one person on death row that is innocent is one too many. How many are they up to now that were released?
Innocent people are murdered by repeat criminals every day.
Project Innocence lists 140+ people who were released from Death Row with full pardons, acquittals or dismissal of charges. Often after years on Death Row, often after masve attempts at obstruction from the judicial system who put them there. How many innocents are you OK with?
This is one of the most important things about this issue. Every single person needs to be willing to stand up in public and say how many innocents being killed by the government is OK. Be sure to say it at the protest after a dead person is found innocent. Be sure you are willing to say it was OK and say it to the widow or the children.
Innocent people are murdered by repeat criminals every day.
That is essentially irrelevant to the discussion of whether the government should kill them. Life in prison with no parole is cheaper and more humane than government sanctioned killings.
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