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Why do you have to kill to protect your property in an instance such as this? Wouldn't it make more sense to to ask them what they were doing while he was holding his gun if he felt threatened? A mistake? Hardly!
It probably wasn't a mistake (imo), but if you have laws that give the right to use lethal force in defense of property, then a defense of being mistaken is on the cards.
The only reason this is news is because the homeowner was white. Where is the news about all the violent black on black killings this week and every week in Baltimore, Chicago, Compton, DC, Philly, Detroit....... ETC.....?
Did they involve a black homeowner killing two other black people on their own property? If so, post and we'll discuss.
We don't need gun control. We need mental health checks and gun safety classes. People need to be educated about guns. They don't need their right taken away because of a few bad apples.
Guns are really necessary in some places.
And we need an end to pervasive idea that guns are solutions to all problems. That guns are fun toys. That guns are nice collectibles, like model cars, useful for impressing your friends.
We need to become the society we once were, when guns were tools for self-defense or acquiring food, and most people didn't feel the need to own them for either. Before the NRA and its masters in the gun industry launched their sick campaign and turned us into a sick society where people actually come on threads like this and actually discuss property lines … as if that has anything to do with being shot and killed.
No, he told the police that they were breaking in to his shed - but the shed was not his and was not on his property. If his eyesight was good enough to kill them at 50 yards then it was good enough to tell that they were not on his property. Are you seriously arguing that if someone takes a few steps on to your lawn you can open a window and shoot them with no warning?
Of course they're not seriously arguing that position. There'd have to be some egregious example of immediate harm to property or person before it would be okie dokie to kill someone without warning, like say if they stepped onto your lawn and were going to make off with a garden gnome.
You seriously cannot expect any comparative moralistic sense of reality from any of these gun nutz.
The gun culture? Or an instance of a man who is deranged?
How do you even know he was deranged? I know that's the popular talking point from the NRA when these things happen, but the fact remains that many gun owners -- including some on this forum -- regard guns as the main solution to problems both real and imagined.
Anyone reading this forum for more than a day or so can see this.
I don't blame the NRA I blame idiots not trying to work things out sanely BEFORE resorting to shooting someone...
You are blaming the NRA for something the 2nd amendment allows....
All this misplaced outrage is just dumb.
Then please explain how we got to where we are today, when everyone wants to play with guns, defend themselves against imaginary threats with guns, and show off to their friends with their guns. As opposed to the days of the 2A when people understood that guns were tools for self-defense or putting food on the table.
If you don't know the history of the NRA, please don't bother making up a response. Educate yourself. It's all there in the history.
Would mistaken property boundaries be manslaughter rather than murder?
He did shoot them to protect his property, which is legal in some states. Wouldn't his only crime have been to have failed to recognise where his property boundary ended? (assuming he was in one of those states). Just a simple mistake perhaps?
You bring up a very interesting question and I think it may apply differently in different states. I doubt that he would have been charged with murder here in Georgia. Maybe manslaughter at best because here it is legal to shoot anybody on your property at anytime. We have had 3 recent cases where people have been shot for wandering onto private property. One was a teenager turning around in a driveway who was shot dead in his car, another was a senile old man who wandered into somebody else's back yard apparently thinking it was his own. Both of them died. Another was a 12 year old chasing a loose dog into someone's yard who was shot but lived. Nobody was charged in any of these cases. I know that, as a lineman, we have to wear vest at night and cannot go on any private residential property to restore service after dusk. If an outage can be fixed in the street, we will fix it but if it is your service drop or meter, it waits for the sun to come up. I think the phone company has the same policy but I don't know about Comcast.
You bring up a very interesting question and I think it may apply differently in different states. I doubt that he would have been charged with murder here in Georgia. Maybe manslaughter at best because here it is legal to shoot anybody on your property at anytime. We have had 3 recent cases where people have been shot for wandering onto private property. One was a teenager turning around in a driveway who was shot dead in his car, another was a senile old man who wandered into somebody else's back yard apparently thinking it was his own. Both of them died. Another was a 12 year old chasing a loose dog into someone's yard who was shot but lived. Nobody was charged in any of these cases. I know that, as a lineman, we have to wear vest at night and cannot go on any private residential property to restore service after dusk. If an outage can be fixed in the street, we will fix it but if it is your service drop or meter, it waits for the sun to come up. I think the phone company has the same policy but I don't know about Comcast.
Interesting. I'll have to tell my lineman friend about one of the hazards of the job over there.
Given WV's laws, I would think manslaughter is the most likely outcome.
You bring up a very interesting question and I think it may apply differently in different states. I doubt that he would have been charged with murder here in Georgia. Maybe manslaughter at best because here it is legal to shoot anybody on your property at anytime. We have had 3 recent cases where people have been shot for wandering onto private property.
One was a teenager turning around in a driveway who was shot dead in his car,
another was a senile old man who wandered into somebody else's back yard apparently thinking it was his own.
This wasn't a 'defending the edge of my property against trespassers' situation but a 'stand your ground' case. It was 2am and a face to face confrontation with a stranger who kept advancing on the homeowner.
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Both of them died. Another was a 12 year old chasing a loose dog into someone's yard who was shot but lived. Nobody was charged in any of these cases.
I can't find a reference on this last one.
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