Lefties, when will you insist I pay my "fair share"? (ethical, stats)
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I doubt that is true and I'm going to guess there is a reason employers don't think you're worth any more. Probably a very good reason since they all seem to agree.
I'm one of the 50% of the nation who pays no federal income taxes at all.
I not only havent paid a dime in over a decade, but I also receive rebates from the government for various credits, so you pay me, to not pay taxes..
Now it looks like I'm going to collect Medicaid
Don't worry about collecting Medicaid. I know you didn't pay into it, but since you live below poverty level, you might as well collect it. No one (except maybe some political hack) is going to ask you how much tax you paid into it. Eligibility is not based on your taxes.
Don't worry about collecting Medicaid. I know you didn't pay into it, but since your income if low enough to qualify for it, then you might as well collect it.
It's not that they don't want to work. They choose the shorter term view of remaining on a welfare system versus the entry level job. I understand the decision, but it keeps you stuck which is the problem. This, by the way, is not baseless. It comes from my personal experience with people in the system and from the results of a study by the Cato Institute.
"Still, what is undeniable is that for many recipients in the most generous states — particularly those classified as long-term recipients — welfare pays substantially more than an entry-level job.
By not working, welfare recipients may be responding rationally to the incentives our public policy makers have established.
And yet we know that over the long term, a job is better than welfare. Census figures show that only 2.6% of full-time workers are poor, compared with 23.9% of adults who do not work. "
So these entry-level jobs supposedly pay less than welfare (which itself is well below poverty level income), and I guess they go unfilled because there's just no way the business could pay more for entry-level jobs!
If companies are really so hard up for workers, they should increase salaries (basic supply/demand). If they can't afford to pay more than slave wages for employees, they don't deserve to be in business.
So these entry-level jobs supposedly pay less than welfare (which itself is well below poverty level income)!.
Not necessarily true when you add up the various benefits.
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Originally Posted by FrankMiller
If companies are really so hard up for workers, they should increase salaries (basic supply/demand). If they can't afford to pay more than slave wages for employees, they don't deserve to be in business.
You still don't understand how it works. If companies were hard up for these workers they would pay more. They aren't. Someone on welfare looking toward their future would be hard up for a job if they considered the long-term results of employement versus welfare. They don't because welfare seems better at the moment which is the point being made about the welfare system being problematic.
Don't worry about collecting Medicaid. I know you didn't pay into it, but since you live below poverty level, you might as well collect it. No one (except maybe some political hack) is going to ask you how much tax you paid into it. Eligibility is not based on your taxes.
Good luck with finding decent medical care on Medicaid.
Not necessarily true when you add up the various benefits.
Every example of this I've read assumes that people are able to collect every benefit available, even if they have contradictory requirements and are impossible to actually collect at the same time.
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Originally Posted by Rggr
You still don't understand how it works. If companies were hard up for these workers they would pay more. They aren't. Someone on welfare looking toward their future would be hard up for a job if they considered the long-term results of employement versus welfare. They don't because welfare seems better at the moment which is the point being made about the welfare system being problematic.
If the companies are filling the positions, then logically there aren't more jobs available for the people still on welfare, so we have a job shortage and cutting welfare would mean people would just die penniless in a gutter, not that more jobs would magically appear. Anyone who got off welfare to take one of these jobs would just be displacing another person onto welfare.
Edit: Also, most welfare has work requirements, so most people on welfare aren't even avoiding work by doing so, which makes your argument even more nonsensical.
The majority of Americans have already relinquished all their wealth to corporations.
Then why are they still living in their homes, many of which have no mortgage, if they supposedly don't own them anymore and corporations do, as you assert?
You do realize that a non-mortgaged home that one owns is a wealth asset, no? Tax wealth, and you tax homeownership away from the 1/3 who own their homes outright.
Have you seen a Wall Street Journal since Obama was elected? Talk about whining. Everytime somebody mentions wealth exploitation, the wealthy are all "wah wah, my feelings, how dare anybody criticize me for inheriting all my wealth from my parents and then paying people minimum wage while I keep all the profits and they die of preventable diseases."
How much of the rich's wealth do you think is inherited?
Every example of this I've read assumes that people are able to collect every benefit available, even if they have contradictory requirements and are impossible to actually collect at the same time.
The federal government funds 126 separate programs targeted towards low-income people, 72 of which provide either cash or in-kind benefits to individuals. (The rest fund community-wide programs for low-income neighborhoods, with no direct benefits to individuals.) State and local governments operate more welfare programs.Of course, no individual or family gets benefits from all 72 programs, but many do get aid from a number of them at any point in time.
Today, the Cato institute is releasing a new study looking at the state-by-state value of welfare for a mother with two children. In the Empire State, a family receiving Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, Medicaid, food stamps, WIC, public housing, utility assistance and free commodities (like milk and cheese) would have a package of benefits worth $38,004, the seventh-highest in the nation.
While that might not sound overly generous, remember that welfare benefits aren’t taxed, while wages are. So someone in New York would have to earn more than $21 per hour to be better off than they would be on welfare.That’s more than the average statewide entry-level salary for a teacher.
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Originally Posted by FrankMiller
If the companies are filling the positions, then logically there aren't more jobs available for the people still on welfare, so we have a job shortage and cutting welfare would mean people would just die penniless in a gutter, not that more jobs would magically appear. Anyone who got off welfare to take one of these jobs would just be displacing another person onto welfare..
Many of these postions are filled by teenagers.
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Originally Posted by FrankMiller
Edit: Also, most welfare has work requirements, so most people on welfare aren't even avoiding work by doing so, which makes your argument even more nonsensical.
despite the work requirements included in the 1996 welfare reform, only 27.6 percent of adult welfare recipients in New York are working in unsubsidized jobs?(Another 13 percent are involved in the more broadly defined “work participation,” which includes job search, training and other things
So 40% are working.
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