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I've heard Democrats say that Thomas Jefferson was the founder of the party, and I've heard others say that Andrew Jackson was, so I solve the quandary by listing both.
The ideas of both have long ago vanished from the rear-view mirror of the modern Democratic party.
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Originally Posted by Thomas Jefferson
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
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Originally Posted by Thomas Jefferson
I am not a friend to a very energetic government. It is always oppressive
Can you imagine any Democrat saying such things today?
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Originally Posted by Andrew Jackson
The Bible is the rock on which this republic rests
So much for that. Jackson was also involved in duels and other stuff that would have had a modern day dem running, screaming, and tearing her hair out. Jackson was also a big time tobacco enthusiast who smoked like a chimney.
The 18th and 19th century were different times with different issues, and to try to superimpose 21st century politics on that is just dumb.
I've heard Democrats say that Thomas Jefferson was the founder of the party, and I've heard others say that Andrew Jackson was, so I solve the quandary by listing both.
The ideas of both have long ago vanished from the rear-view mirror of the modern Democratic party.
Kinda like how the ideas of Abraham Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt have long ago vanished from the rear-view mirror of the modern Republican party, huh?
It is not needed, nor fitting here [in discussing the Civil War] that a general argument should be made in favor of popular institutions; but there is one point, with its connections, not so hackneyed as most others, to which I ask a brief attention. It is the effect to place capital on an equal footing with, if not above, labor, in the structure of government. It is assumed that labor is available only in connection with capital; that nobody labors unless somebody else, owning capital, somehow by the use of it induces him to labor. This assumed, it is next considered whether it is best that capital shall hire laborers, and thus induce them to work by their own consent, or buy them, and drive them to it without their consent. Having proceeded thus far, it is naturally concluded that all laborers are either hired laborers or what we call slaves. And further, it is assumed that whoever is once a hired laborer is fixed in that condition for life.
Now, there is no such relation between capital and labor as assumed, nor is there any such thing as a free man being fixed for life in the condition of a hired laborer. Both these assumptions are false, and all inferences from them are groundless.
Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. Capital has its rights, which are as worthy of protection as any other rights.
Kinda like how the ideas of Abraham Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt have long ago vanished from the rear-view mirror of the modern Republican party, huh?
Eisenhower would have been unelectable in today's GOP.
As for the OP's first quote, it's not actually what Jefferson wrote, but hey - at least Fw:FW:Fw: were removed.
Kinda like how the ideas of Abraham Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt have long ago vanished from the rear-view mirror of the modern Republican party, huh?
You wish.
"That is the issue that will continue in this country when these poor tongues of Judge Douglas and myself shall be silent. It is the eternal struggle between these two principles -- right and wrong -- throughout the world. They are the two principles that have stood face to face from the beginning of time, and will ever continue to struggle. The one is the common right of humanity and the other the divine right of kings. It is the same principle in whatever shape it develops itself. It is the same spirit that says, 'You work and toil and earn bread, and I'll eat it.' No matter in what shape it comes, whether from the mouth of a king who seeks to bestride the people of his own nation and live by the fruit of their labor, or from one race of men as an apology for enslaving another race, it is the same tyrannical principle."
--Abraham Lincoln, Lincoln-Douglas debate, October 15, 1858 at Alton
Lincoln opposed the principle of wealth transfer, just as much as he opposed slavery. He condemned both in this quote.
In doing so, he repudiated the core philosophies of the Democrat party at the time... philosophies they still hold and regularly exercise today.
Kinda like how the ideas of Abraham Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt have long ago vanished from the rear-view mirror of the modern Republican party, huh?
yes, kinda like that. Again, Lincoln was dealing with the problems of the 19th century. Roosevelt was actually a progressive who today would be much more sympatico with the Democratic party than the GOP.
Many of the issues are the same, it's the party affiliations that have shifted over time.
As my quote has demonstrated, your wishful thinking isn't even close.
Still, the hilarity continues as the leftist Democrat fanatics bend over backward trying to pretend they aren't leftist Democrat fanatics.
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