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Old 04-21-2014, 05:38 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Originally Posted by Driller1 View Post
I have always wonder how owning a few rooms in someone else's building makes sense.

What if the building owner does not pay his taxes??
Are you referring to a condominium? You own your unit and a percentage ( usually based on the square footage of your unit in relation to all units) of common elements.

Or perhaps a co-op where you own a fractional interest in a corporation and rent the right to occupy a unit from the co-op corporation.

Both tend to impose assessments to cover the routine operation, maintenance and eventual replacement of common elements.
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Old 04-21-2014, 06:09 PM
 
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Unless you want the sales tax to increase to 100% or some obscene amount, sales tax is not a sustainable model. That is why we have income tax.

Also, any increase of the sales tax will just get passed onto the middle and upper class. Food and clothing will most likely be exempt or there will be rioting.
Yes it would increase substantially but you get rid of the income tax, rich people don't buy expensive things that would be taxed at a much higher amount?

Look your paying theses taxes no matter which ay you look at it, they always get passed onto the end consumer.
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Old 04-21-2014, 06:22 PM
 
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I think the reality is that right-wingers are so self-centered that they put forward sales tax as an alternative because the feel that they can prevail in making sales tax more regressive than income tax - and that's actually borne out by the way things are today.
If I sell you something for $1:

Here is my expense column:
.40 for the cost of the product that I pass onto you.
.02 for electricity that I pass onto you.
.02 for the phone that I pass onto you.
.02 for fuel that I pass onto you.
.02 office expenses that I pass onto you.
.02 for heating and A/C that I pass onto you.
.20 in income taxes and fees that I pass onto you.

Here is my profit column:
.30 my net profit

Whether it's sales tax on your bill or income tax I'm including in the cost of the product you're still paying for it.
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Old 04-21-2014, 06:25 PM
 
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Originally Posted by ErikBEggs View Post
Agreed.

Just want to point out... a sales tax only scheme would probably have sales tax over 50% (I don't know for sure, just throwing out a high number).
Again, why hide that tax expense from the consumer? You're paying for it one way or the other.
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Old 04-21-2014, 06:54 PM
 
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Yes it would increase substantially but you get rid of the income tax, rich people don't buy expensive things that would be taxed at a much higher amount?

Look your paying theses taxes no matter which ay you look at it, they always get passed onto the end consumer.
Rich people buy very expensive things......think industry and businesses.
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Old 04-21-2014, 06:56 PM
 
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If I sell you something for $1:

Here is my expense column:
.40 for the cost of the product that I pass onto you.
.02 for electricity that I pass onto you.
.02 for the phone that I pass onto you.
.02 for fuel that I pass onto you.
.02 office expenses that I pass onto you.
.02 for heating and A/C that I pass onto you.
.20 in income taxes and fees that I pass onto you.

Here is my profit column:
.30 my net profit

Whether it's sales tax on your bill or income tax I'm including in the cost of the product you're still paying for it.
Then you are write all this off on your income tax.
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Old 04-21-2014, 08:39 PM
 
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I have no kids. If I have kids, I intend on homeschooling them. I was homeschooled. School boards can't handle cash correctly. I shouldn't have to pay for my neighbors kids. Yet I am forced to pay? What is this? It feels like I am in some horrible socialist-communist state.

Also, if I buy property, why should I pay the rest of the things associated with property tax on a yearly basis and not just pay it in full when purchasing, or have it included with a mortgage? Why am I constantly obligated to pay property tax every year? What would I do if I wanted to retire?
income taxes are more wrong

also you are paying the cops to defend your property rights if the cops dont steal your property first.
fire men also are suppose to save your property from any fire.

hospitals are suppose to cover you getting sick.
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Old 04-22-2014, 03:20 AM
bUU
 
Location: Florida
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If I sell you something for $1:
It's already well-established that you're special and everything about your personal business operates differently from not only the way every other business works, but different from the laws of physics as well, most likely.

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Whether it's sales tax on your bill or income tax I'm including in the cost of the product you're still paying for it.
Aren't you going to be in for a big shock when you get out in the working world and realize that the next guy is going to steal all your business by reducing their profit margin 1% below your pre-determined, "I want this" profit margin you've set forth.
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Old 04-22-2014, 03:36 AM
 
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Originally Posted by evilnewbie View Post
Property taxes are optional... if you don't like them, then don't buy property... property is not a requirement to live...

??? If my choices are: 1) buy property and pay X or 2) don't buy property and pay 1.5 X then WTF sort of choice is that?
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Old 04-22-2014, 03:44 AM
bUU
 
Location: Florida
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It's the choice predicated by the chooser's self-handicapping antipathy for the civic responsibility inherent in paying property tax.
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