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Old 04-28-2014, 07:49 AM
 
Location: California
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There is absolutely no 1 to 1 relationship between investment and job creation. In fact, many investments actually destroy jobs. Don't mistake abstract economic models for what happens in the real world.
Oh, my! How can anyone be that ignorant about how our economy works. I suspect White-House spin here. Only Obamaites could actually think that anyone with a smidgeon of intelligence would believe the above stupidity.

Sorry for the harsh words, but such statements from RogersParkGuy are so unbelievable they are scary if anyone actually believes that tripe.
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Old 04-28-2014, 08:14 AM
 
Location: California
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In digesting all the back and forth in this thread, I am reading a book addressing the time frame "after" the Civil War and the soldiers coming home. Those soldiers came "home" to the shock of finding they had no home because the government had confiscated same for non-payment of property taxes. If property taxes had been prohibited those soldiers would have come home to, at least, their home or a place to rebuild.

The thought that hit me as I read this horror is that this government action is still hung over our heads and still puts our homes or any properties we own in the same terrible position. In my mind, this emphasizes to the nth degree why the government should not be allowed to tax homes and property. If one wants to bring Constitutionality into the spotlight of why, I believe it is covered in the Preamble...not in specific words but certainly in over-all blanketed concept for "we the people."
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Old 04-28-2014, 08:23 AM
 
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I have no kids. If I have kids, I intend on homeschooling them. I was homeschooled. School boards can't handle cash correctly. I shouldn't have to pay for my neighbors kids. Yet I am forced to pay? What is this? It feels like I am in some horrible socialist-communist state.

Also, if I buy property, why should I pay the rest of the things associated with property tax on a yearly basis and not just pay it in full when purchasing, or have it included with a mortgage? Why am I constantly obligated to pay property tax every year? What would I do if I wanted to retire?

Property taxes are no worse than any other form of taxes.
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Old 04-28-2014, 08:36 AM
 
Location: California
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Property taxes are no worse than any other form of taxes.
You have got to be kidding. Every single citizen and legal immigrant should "never" have their home or place of residence threatened by our government of any level.

Taxes can be placed in other areas to raise funding, but taxes on our homes is basically "blackmail!"
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Old 04-28-2014, 08:41 AM
 
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You have got to be kidding. Every single citizen and legal immigrant should "never" have their home or place of residence threatened by our government of any level.

Taxes can be placed in other areas to raise funding, but taxes on our homes is basically "blackmail!"
Move to a place that doesn't provide government services then.
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Old 04-28-2014, 08:43 AM
 
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Taxes can be placed in other areas to raise funding, but taxes on our homes is basically "blackmail!"
So how do you figure that these other taxes -- like income taxes -- are "Acceptable" ?

Are they not also "blackmail", and if not , why not?
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Old 04-28-2014, 08:58 AM
 
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One thing "good" (if that is possible) about property taxes is from time to time we get to directly vote on if they should be raised or, not.

School and road tax are millages we vote on.
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Old 04-28-2014, 09:00 AM
 
Location: California
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So how do you figure that these other taxes -- like income taxes -- are "Acceptable" ?

Are they not also "blackmail", and if not , why not?
First, one's home is priceless and should never be jeopardized by government. It is a primary necessity of life.

I don't believe in income tax. That is repressive to stimulating the economy. National Sales Tax will provide more $'s to the government than income tax and everyone who purchases anything will pay "their fair share" as today's rhetoric goes.

Government can tax many other areas.

Finally, all levels of government should get out of most of the areas into which they stick their noses. Most of government spending is to "buy votes."

Welfare is an area that should ONLY be on a local level...never county, state or federal. Welfare is the biggest expenditure by government to buy votes there is.
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Old 04-28-2014, 09:05 AM
 
Location: California
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One thing "good" (if that is possible) about property taxes is from time to time we get to directly vote on if they should be raised or, not.

School and road tax are millages we vote on.
Before Prop. 13 was passed in California, a tremendous percentage of senior citizens who had worked all their lives and bought/built their homes and most had paid off their mortgages were taxed out of those home by willy-nilly counties just raising property taxes when they wanted more money in the county coffers. So they worked all their lives to be kicked out of their homes, many of whom had lived their for many years and were very comfortable to spend the rest of their lives in a home they thought would house them as life slows down.

Prop. 13 stopped that. That's just one more example of why homes should not be under taxing jurisdiction of any government level. Most states do not have a Proposition 13 and so many of their senior citizens end up being taxed right out of their homes when they are retired and their incomes drop dramatically. If their homes were protected that drop in income would not jeopardize their lives...one just adjusts to all other expenses when home is not a financial burden any more as it should be after working to make it free and clear.
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Old 04-28-2014, 09:08 AM
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Location: Florida
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In digesting all the back and forth in this thread, I am reading a book addressing the time frame "after" the Civil War and the soldiers coming home. Those soldiers came "home" to the shock of finding they had no home because the government had confiscated same for non-payment of property taxes.
Now we actually pay our soldiers a living wage, and provide them services to ensure that their deployments don't prevent their property taxes from being paid.
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