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Why does the left call everything and everyone who has a different perspective "bigotry"? I thought you're all for tolerance and valuing differences. Does that just apply to others, but not to you?
Someone claiming homosexuals are (in varying degrees throughout this thread and others) less deserving of the same rights as others, akin to child molestation, a step up from bestiality, etc is being bigoted. Don't try to spin it as "Oh, well you are BIGOTED of my 'different perspective'"... it is just plain bigotry. Same as any other prejudice.
Progressives have dealt with that sort of bigotry before and, just as before, will do away with the structural obstacles that are preventing all citizens from enjoying equal rights. Just as before the same obstructionist bigots will stand in the way bemoaning what "their country" is coming to. Once again they will be cast on the fringes of society with the other zealots, racists and bigots.
I could easily turn it around on you. Why do you get to define immorality? And let's be clear, this isn't a case of my side defining a moral standard. It's a case of your side RE-defining and changing a moral stance that has been in place since the foundation of our country.
Legalization of gay marriage will drastically change society, and that affects everyone. So you are wrong. It will make a difference in my life.
So people you don't know getting married somehow effects your life? I don't follow you here. When my wife and I got married, did that somehow have an effect on you?
Well, without getting too far into a complex discussion, I'd say that, yes, we could ignore it. Until, as another poster said, it affects us and our lives, which is happening more and more these days:
You see, we can't just live according to our principles and beliefs even while we might like to "live and let live." We're asked to put them aside, and embrace yours, immoral as they may be in our system of faith. That's trampling on our freedom of religion and requiring us to accept that which is unacceptable.
Why do we get to define immorality? What peope think doesn't matter. It's been defined by God. Whether you believe there is a God or not, that is where my definition of morality/immorality comes from. Therefore, I have not usurped YOUR right to define it for yourself. I simply accept God's right to define it, and he's a few pegs higher than any of us, if you know what I mean.
That means about as much to me as your saying that your morality is defined by Spiderman.
Oh, then why is the only other alternative to traditional marriage being discussed a sexual union between members of the same sex?
Seems to me the if the criteria is simply that TWO people love each other (or not I suppose) and they want to build a life together and play house with real babies, then any non-sexual relationship could also be justified under the same reasoning.
BTW, you haven't stated your specific criteria for marriage. I don't want to make assertions on your behalf. So spill it. What is now right and what is now wrong according to urbanlife78?
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Originally Posted by urbanlife78
You do realize a man and woman don't have to love each other to get married. Also what is a sexual union? Is that another phrase for having sex?
you've brought up "right" and "wrong" a lot in this thread, and I don't presume to speak for anybody else on this matter, but in my opinion "right" and "wrong" are irrelevant as far as the government should be concerned. As long as all parties are a) consenting and b) adults, meaning that their decisions are of their own free will, what you, I, President Obama, Pope Francis, or anybody else feels about their relationship or marriage is completely invalid. Feel free to think it's "wrong" all you want, but it's their life, not yours, and you have no right to use government force to stop people from living in a way you disagree with
Congrats to them! I will not support liberals/conservatives to force their values/morals/ethics on others...
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