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Old 04-25-2014, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Uh, it's not paranoia to wonder what's up with some yahoo walking around the grocery store or the playground sporting a gun on his hip. What danger does said person think he needs to be armed against? Flying tomatoes? An errant frisbee?

99.9999% of the population isn't so fearful that they deem it necessary to carry and prominently display weapons of deadly force during the routine situations of daily life.

Again, having the right to do something by no means makes it sensible or advisable.
Again, you might want to refrain from thinking that the world resolves around you. You are a gun owner right? I think you should give up on your gun right simply because I think hunting is silly. (How does it make you feel?)

Worries and anxiety still don't give you any right to take away somebody's constitutional right. But you won, in my state, people carry unloaded gun is now illegal. So I don't know what you are really arguing or worrying about.
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Old 04-25-2014, 02:55 PM
 
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Yeah, the only point I was trying to make is that 2rd amendment right is subject to change. (I am fine with that) But I wonder what do we expect next? Punishing somebody for carrying an unloaded gun in public is just strange to say the least.
If it's readily apparent that the gun is unloaded and is being carried for some purpose such as transporting it to the range or taking it in for repairs, that's one thing.

But walking around sporting a pistol on your hip (that nobody can tell whether it's loaded) is purely provocative in nearly all situations.
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Old 04-25-2014, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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There are restrictions to the first amendment, go into a crowded theater and yell "FIRE!" And you will see how quickly your freedom of speech is restricted when the police arrest you for that act.
The comparable anology for the draconian restrictions on gun rights would be to cut your tongue out before allowing you in the theater, so you can't possibly yell fire. To simply say you can't yell fire is comparable to saying you're not allowed to shoot people (without some overriding probable cause/self defense), not to ban possession of a gun.
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Old 04-25-2014, 02:59 PM
 
Location: MS
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If it's readily apparent that the gun is unloaded and is being carried for some purpose such as transporting it to the range or taking it in for repairs, that's one thing.

But walking around sporting a pistol on your hip (that nobody can tell whether it's loaded) is purely provocative in nearly all situations.
The Westboro Baptist Church is extremely provocative with their free speech. I don't agree with any of it but I will fight for their right to say what they want.
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Old 04-25-2014, 03:00 PM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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Sigh...okay, well, again, I wanted to draw out slowly but you went right for the kill.

One thing I've noticed is that unless you MAKE a liberal think about something, they won't get it...that's why I've tried, a time or two, to draw their answers from them one at a time.

Start with the first step: Come up with something besides yelling 'fire' in a crowded theater.

The second step is to show them HOW that is completely inapplicable, very slowly, very, very, very slowly, baby steps at a time...using their own words. Dang it all, would you all just let me do it one time? Just once?
Oh, just stop with this BS already. You know what DOES show a lack of logical/critical thinking? Making statements like "liberals can't think," when around half of the nation (thus MILLIONS of people) identify as liberal. I guess all those brilliant engineers, programmers, entrepreneurs, etc, I meet here in Silicon Valley are raging conservatives? Oh wait.

Here, I'll answer your darned question and give you more examples:

- Defaming the character of another person, especially if it causes measurable consequences (i.e. a teacher gets fired when someone falsely accuses them of sexual misconduct).
- Threatening harm upon someone
- Saying anything that interferes with law enforcement or rescue personnel
- Prank-calling or abusing the 911 service
- Making false terrorist or bomb threats

Is that enough, or should I keep going? And for the record, this liberal(ish) fully supports BOTH the first and second amendment - with some restrictions, but mostly limited to things like the above, age restrictions on gun purchases, and not allowing the severely disturbed or violent felons to own guns. Reasonable, I think, and doubt there are ANY rights in this world that are 100% free of regulation.

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Old 04-25-2014, 03:05 PM
 
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The Westboro Baptist Church is extremely provocative with their free speech. I don't agree with any of it but I will fight for their right to say what they want.
They are a bunch of buffoons but their words won't kill anybody, at least not in the direct and immediate way that a bullet will.

If they were sporting pistols on their hips while yelling out all this insane crap I'd be a little more concerned.
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Old 04-25-2014, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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If it's readily apparent that the gun is unloaded and is being carried for some purpose such as transporting it to the range or taking it in for repairs, that's one thing.

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No, that is not ONE THING. in my state, carrying an unloaded gun in public is ILLEGAL, period. This is whole point!!! You are calling that 2rd amendment right?
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Old 04-25-2014, 03:15 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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They are a bunch of buffoons but their words won't kill anybody, at least not in the direct and immediate way that a bullet will.

If they were sporting pistols on their hips while yelling out all this insane crap I'd be a little more concerned.


No, you would be very polite and understanding.
If it came off his hip, you would be running.
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Old 04-25-2014, 03:16 PM
 
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Again, you might want to refrain from thinking that the world resolves around you. You are a gun owner right? I think you should give up on your gun right simply because I think hunting is silly. (How does it make you feel?)

Worries and anxiety still don't give you any right to take away somebody's constitutional right. But you won, in my state, people carry unloaded gun is now illegal. So I don't know what you are really arguing or worrying about.
What on earth are you talking about? I don't have any interest in taking away guns.

I'm simply pointing out that it's absurd and provocative to walk around in normal daily life with a pistol on your hip. Of course nobody knows whether it's loaded or not -- if I see someone sporting a pistol on their I assume it's loaded. If it's not, why would they be carrying it?

In my case, the weapons are secured in my home and place of business. The general public is not exposed to them.
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Old 04-25-2014, 03:18 PM
 
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No, that is not ONE THING. in my state, carrying an unloaded gun in public is ILLEGAL, period. This is whole point!!! You are calling that 2rd amendment right?
Well, if you can't take your gun to the range then I agree with you. That is dumb.
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