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Yeah, the only point I was trying to make is that 2rd amendment right is subject to change. (I am fine with that) But I wonder what do we expect next? Punishing somebody for carrying an unloaded gun in public is just strange to say the least.
I'm not sure if I agree with this law or not, to be honest. But to play devil's advocate for a moment and TRY to explain their thought process, how would you know if the gun (on someone's hip) is loaded or not? If a police officer approaches and sees a GUN on your person, they won't stop to consider if it's loaded - they will probably shoot you first, and check the chamber as you lay twitching on the ground. Same goes for your fellow citizens, gang members, etc, who will not check for the bullets it may or may not have inside. So I can see how an unloaded gun might indirectly cause harm, but still on the fence over the law itself.
P.S. I am also in California, and do not personally own a gun... but I know how to shoot one, and have no problem with adults (minus the two examples I gave above) obtaining them legally.
The federal government has no say in the matter. That is the purview of the States.
Only the States may impose limitations. For example, the State may require that as a condition to purchasing a firearm, an individual undergo 20 hours of training, or 40 hours or 120 hours.
Mircea
If what you say is true, then how has the Gun Control Act of 1968 withstood constitutional tests? Among other things it prohibits the sale of firearms to certain people.
The National Firearms Act (1934) clearly regulates certain firearms.
With all due respect, you may want to consider going back and read all the responses.
I really don't think it is your business WHY WOULD THEY be carrying it. Somebody's freedom is actually somebody else's tolerance. Because of paranoid folks like you, people like us have to give up on our 2rd amendment right. I don't think it is fair. I don't know how many times I have to repeat myself, You won. In my state, carrying UNLOADED gun in pubic is considered illegal, I really don't know what you are arguing or worrying about.
gizmo980 - You make too much sense for this forum.
I support the Constitution in its entirety. I support the Right of Free Speech so long as the speaker takes responsibility of what they say. Publically threating some one is a simple assault in front of witnesses. It is also dumb. I support the Right to be armed so long as it does not apply to people who have proven to be or are incapable of being responsible for their actions. I speak of children, convicted violent felons and the medically confirmed insane.
I believe the ban in CA of carrying an exposed firearm is a simple triumph of the squirrel people over common sense. If someone is openly carrying a pistol it just may make a criminal realize this is not going to be a one sided mugging but may become a gunfight. Gunfights have losers. Most criminals are breaking the law for money and really do not want to risk their life knocking off a convenience store for a few hundred bucks.
I have no problem with people walking around with guns openly carrying them, loaded or no. It'd be pretty depressing to get to the point where you see tons of people walking around armed like it was the wild west, mad max, or some banana republic though.
I'm not sure if I agree with this law or not, to be honest. But to play devil's advocate for a moment and TRY to explain their thought process, how would you know if the gun (on someone's hip) is loaded or not? If a police officer approaches and sees a GUN on your person, they won't stop to consider if it's loaded - they will probably shoot you first, and check the chamber as you lay twitching on the ground. Same goes for your fellow citizens, gang members, etc, who will not check for the bullets it may or may not have inside. So I can see how an unloaded gun might indirectly cause harm, but still on the fence over the law itself.
P.S. I am also in California, and do not personally own a gun... but I know how to shoot one, and have no problem with adults (minus the two examples I gave above) obtaining them legally.
You made a valid point. I think carrying a loaded gun in pubic is a bit outrageous. But now carrying unloaded gun in public will land somebody in county mail for up to 1 year. I just don't believe it is fair at all. That is all.
It makes me wonder "Do we really have 2rd amendment right, or do we not?"
You made a valid point. I think carrying a loaded gun in pubic is a bit outrageous. But now carrying unloaded gun in public will land somebody in county mail for up to 1 year. I just don't believe it is fair at all. That is all.
It makes me wonder "Do we really have 2rd amendment right, or do we not?"
Well, I certainly don't think it should carry a felony or jail sentence... if anything it should be just a warning or minor infraction, since this law seems to be more for the protection of the gun OWNER. Obviously they cannot hurt anyone else with an unloaded gun (aside from beating someone with it), and I'm not in favor of laws that punish people for endangering themselves alone.
But we do still have gun rights, just with some restrictions. Are there any rights that don't come with a few exceptions or caveats? For example, I have the right to drink alcohol as an adult - but I don't have the right to drink while driving, to carry open bottles in my car, to visit a school campus with liquor, etc.
If what you say is true, then how has the Gun Control Act of 1968 withstood constitutional tests? Among other things it prohibits the sale of firearms to certain people.
The National Firearms Act (1934) clearly regulates certain firearms.
The Supreme Court also upheld the internment of American citizens of Japanese, German and Italian heritage. They have made mistakes in the past.
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