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This is yet another thread that shows who conservatives continue to be when they are in power or perceive one of them is in power.
All of this "fear" of government vanishes.
The facts of this are damming to anyone who is honestly afraid of the abuse of power by the government. This issue about the drugs the state was using to execute people was the issue the lawyers brought about to the supreme court.
The lawyers said the state was keeping the drugs secret which they thought was a violation of the 8th amendment.
The Supreme Court of the state of Oklahoma agreed and basically said hey let's not execute anyone until we know more about the drugs, what these drugs are, where they were bought and the impact on the human body.
Nope the governor of Oklahoma said nope not going to follow that supreme court ruling.
The executions had to continue then the very thing that was in dispute the very thing that the lawyer's expressed and the Supreme court of Oklahoma gave a stay of execution turn out to be very likely true.
Yet those afraid of government abuse conservatives are fine with this.
The state of Oklahoma keeping secret the drugs that are going to be used to kill someone by the state, conservatives are fine with that.
The state of Oklahoma keeping secret where they bought these drugs to execute people, conservatives are fine with that.
The state of Oklahoma keeping secret the impact that these drugs may have on the human body, conservatives are fine with that as well.
Ignoring the supreme court stay of execution in which the supreme court basically said just reveal the drugs to be used where they were obtained, and the impact they'll have on the human body before going forward with these executions, conservatives are ok with that.
The state administering drugs that might have tortured a man to death and violated the 8th amendment of the constitution, conservatives are ok with that as well.
I'm pro death penalty, but think it should be clean and without suffering. This is just terrible. Why not bring back the firing squad? Also, they refused to pay more for his last meal? Unbelievable.
It took almost 45 minutes for him to die, with him at one point into the execution sitting up and saying "something's wrong." The officials said it was hard to watch. He was sentenced to death 20 years ago after aiding in killing and witnessing the live burial of Stephanie Neiman.
Good, why should he suffer when the person he killed didn't --- are you kidding me, he should have suffered a lot more !
This is yet another thread that shows who conservatives continue to be when they are in power or perceive one of them is in power.
All of this "fear" of government vanishes.
The facts of this are damming to anyone who is honestly afraid of the abuse of power by the government. This issue about the drugs the state was using to execute people was the issue the lawyers brought about to the supreme court.
The lawyers said the state was keeping the drugs secret which they thought was a violation of the 8th amendment.
The Supreme Court of the state of Oklahoma agreed and basically said hey let's not execute anyone until we know more about the drugs, what these drugs are, where they were bought and the impact on the human body.
Nope the governor of Oklahoma said nope not going to follow that supreme court ruling.
The executions had to continue then the very thing that was in dispute the very thing that the lawyer's expressed and the Supreme court of Oklahoma gave a stay of execution turn out to be very likely true.
Yet those afraid of government abuse conservatives are fine with this.
The state of Oklahoma keeping secret the drugs that are going to be used to kill someone by the state, conservatives are fine with that.
The state of Oklahoma keeping secret where they bought these drugs to execute people, conservatives are fine with that.
The state of Oklahoma keeping secret the impact that these drugs may have on the human body, conservatives are fine with that as well.
Ignoring the supreme court stay of execution in which the supreme court basically said just reveal the drugs to be used where they were obtained, and the impact they'll have on the human body before going forward with these executions, conservatives are ok with that.
The state administering drugs that might have tortured a man to death and violated the 8th amendment of the constitution, conservatives are ok with that as well.
I'm not okay with the suffering, but let's get real here. This was the State of Oklahoma's fault! They should have given a higher dose. Didn't they consult with anyone about the proper lethal dosage for a man of his height and weight? Why wasn't there an IV? I'm not at all familiar with how these things work, but I would think that if there was an IV they could have at least given him more drug to end his suffering.
Keeping the name of the pharmacy making the mixture a secret is because when they have revealed this information in the past, the pharmacy has received death threats. If the EU doesn't want to sell the drugs and the pharmacies don't want to mix the drugs here, and the states keep sentencing people to die, then another method must be found. I would think the preference would be for lethal injection, but these guys are doing nothing more than setting it up for another method like a firing squad.
I was all for life without parole, and still am for the cases that are pretty sure bets but not completely sure, but then I saw how many of these lifers end up in solitary and have an absolutely horrible existence. I do not want to go back to the days where the choices were life with possibility of parole in 20 - 35 years, or the death penalty. Then more and more people will be sentenced to death.
Maybe we need to reduce the violent imagery and gang worship we have promoted in society since the Prohibition era, which gets worse and worse each year. These guys were conducting a robbery and ended the night shooting a 19-year old with a sawed-off shotgun and burying her alive. What punishment would be more fitting for these people? Do you want these guys in jail with other criminals who aren't as bad as them? I'd feel bad for the other criminals. Are we going to have so many of these extremely violent people in jail for life that we have to put them on an island or a walled-off city like Escape from New York? There are just too many of these animals to house them for the rest of their lives, and I sure don't want them back on the streets in a few years.
ok and? Who runs the state of Oklahoma government? conservatives Let's not kid ourselves generally speaking this is the kind of state sponsored power that conservatives love.
I'm not okay with the suffering, but let's get real here. This was the State of Oklahoma's fault! They should have given a higher dose. Didn't they consult with anyone about the proper lethal dosage for a man of his height and weight? Why wasn't there an IV? I'm not at all familiar with how these things work, but I would think that if there was an IV they could have at least given him more drug to end his suffering.
Keeping the name of the pharmacy making the mixture a secret is because when they have revealed this information in the past, the pharmacy has received death threats. If the EU doesn't want to sell the drugs and the pharmacies don't want to mix the drugs here, and the states keep sentencing people to die, then another method must be found. I would think the preference would be for lethal injection, but these guys are doing nothing more than setting it up for another method like a firing squad.
I was all for life without parole, and still am for the cases that are pretty sure bets but not completely sure, but then I saw how many of these lifers end up in solitary and have an absolutely horrible existence. I do not want to go back to the days where the choices were life with possibility of parole in 20 - 35 years, or the death penalty. Then more and more people will be sentenced to death.
Maybe we need to reduce the violent imagery and gang worship we have promoted in society since the Prohibition era, which gets worse and worse each year. These guys were conducting a robbery and ended the night shooting a 19-year old with a sawed-off shotgun and burying her alive. What punishment would be more fitting for these people? Do you want these guys in jail with other criminals who aren't as bad as them? I'd feel bad for the other criminals. Are we going to have so many of these extremely violent people in jail for life that we have to put them on an island or a walled-off city like Escape from New York? There are just too many of these animals to house them for the rest of their lives, and I sure don't want them back on the streets in a few years.
Blah, blah, blah.
The bottom line is that conservatives are generally supportive of this kind of abuse of government power. There are many who defended the state in this very thread. Go read the comments of the local paper in Oklahoma.
Again state sanctioned killings is a use of government power that conservatives love and if the scum bag has to be tortured well the better for it in the minds of a huge percentage of conservatives.
Sure....if you are so concerned because of the drugs used advocate for a guillotine. Now if your qualms are over something else, say so. Don't hide behind a drug argument.
I've wanted a guillotine for years in front of the court house. Has nothing to do with any drugs. You are the ones crying about the drugs. I think this clown should have suffered longer. Maybe get em addicted to heroin and let em flip out and overdose. Would probably cost less and get rid of em. Some who do things like this guy did lose their chance to live in our society. Sad but true. You defend them for some reason.
Is that a contest that you really want to participate in?
Murder is simply a legal definition.
It's not a pissing contest, but I did want to put my two cents in about your offensively comparing me to a murderer. I really have no clue what your post even means.
The bottom line is that conservatives are generally supportive of this kind of abuse of government power. There are many who defended the state in this very thread. Go read the comments of the local paper in Oklahoma.
Again state sanctioned killings is a use of government power that conservatives love and if the scum bag has to be tortured well the better for it in the minds of a huge percentage of conservatives.
This is who they are.
Yes it is. You do what this clown did you don't deserve to live anymore like their victims aren't. Not rocket science but just common sense. If you love these clowns so much take in some parolees and take care of em. Oops he had the death penalty as so decided by a jury of his peers so you won't get one of your heroes coming to live. It's called the law. Follow it...........may not like many of em........but you think killing and raping a girl and burying her alive is ok. Just sad.
The bottom line is that conservatives are generally supportive of this kind of abuse of government power. There are many who defended the state in this very thread. Go read the comments of the local paper in Oklahoma.
Again state sanctioned killings is a use of government power that conservatives love and if the scum bag has to be tortured well the better for it in the minds of a huge percentage of conservatives.
This is who they are.
Why even respond if you don't want to address my point? Just ignore it and move on to the next post, and I will do that to your future posts.
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--- are you kidding me, he should have suffered a lot more !
