The Killer's Manifesto (regular, homicides, weapons, military)

[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by Rapaport

Because their function is to protect the society, even if it involves killing. You didn't know that?

So am I not allowed to protect myself?

[Rapaport]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

So am I not allowed to protect myself?

Yes you are but you shouldn't have a gun.

[lionking]

Originally Posted by Rapaport

Because their function is to protect the society, even if it involves killing. You didn't know that?

Yes I did know that. So then guns aren't only for killing they are protection also. So that means means killing is not necessarily wrong. That means guns are a instrument of the user under context. There is a distinct difference between murder and killing.

Do the police and military always use their guns in a lawful and justified manner? The answer would be most often yes but sometimes no. If gun control proponents suggest that because some civilians use a gun wrongly thus all should be banned from ownership doesn't it go to say that since a few police and military people use a gun wrongly all should be disarmed?

Are all police and military personnel of higher quality , higher moral standards and more trusty worthy compared to civilians? The answer is no not always.
Do you believe you are incapable of defending yourself and using good judgement and only police can?
Do you believe you do not have the right to defend yourself with the best means possible?
Do you believe it is the right of others to decide this for you?
Do you believe that police and the military will always be able to defend you in time?

If the police and military have the sole function to protect and kill why is a civilian the president in charge of them? Clearly under the belief that only the military and police can be trusted with guns why is it the person in charge of the largest arsenal known is a civilian? What makes a president more moral and capable than you?, because in America's history there have been certain presidents who showed a clear lack of certain morality.

This concludes that the majority of civilians who own guns use them in a lawful manner considering there are millions of gun owners compared to gun crime, and that a badge or a uniform doesn't guarantee better morality, training or judgement. It also concludes that while guns may be for killing , it is the context on how they are used that defines whether it is good or evil.

This why we have the constitution and bill of rights written as is, and why emphasis in them was written to state individual rights, not just rights of the ruling class or government.

[Rapaport]

Originally Posted by lionking

Yes I did know that. So then guns aren't only for killing they are protection also.

Are you a southern philosopher or something? Guns are for killing, they are weapons. The military and police receive special training and have a special function in the society.

[1AngryTaxPayer]

Originally Posted by Rapaport

Yes you are but you shouldn't have a gun.

You shouldn't have a computer to dish out your version of what things "should be". See how that works.

[Rapaport]

Not really. I live in a gun-free New York City which has half of the murder rate of Dallas and Houston, even though there are more tourist visiting NYC in a day than Dallas and Houston combined in a month. I am talking from experience.
Gun control works.

Originally Posted by 1AngryTaxPayer

You shouldn't have a computer to dish out your version of what things "should be". See how that works.

[pknopp]

Originally Posted by Rapaport

Not really. I live in a gun-free New York City which has half of the murder rate of Dallas and Houston, even though there are more tourist visiting NYC in a day than Dallas and Houston combined in a month.
Gun control works.

NY isn't gun free. You known that though just like you know so many of the things you claim are rubbish.

[2tall]

Originally Posted by Rapaport

Not really. I live in a gun-free New York City which has half of the murder rate of Dallas and Houston, even though there are more tourist visiting NYC in a day than Dallas and Houston combined in a month. I am talking from experience.
Gun control works.

Relaxing gun laws in Chicago has reduced crime significantly.

[whogo]

Originally Posted by Rapaport

Not really. I live in a gun-free New York City which has half of the murder rate of Dallas and Houston, even though there are more tourist visiting NYC in a day than Dallas and Houston combined in a month. I am talking from experience.
Gun control works.

Are ya sure it ain't cops frisking every black man they see?

[lionking]

Originally Posted by Rapaport

Are you a southern philosopher or something? Guns are for killing, they are weapons. The military and police receive special training and have a special function in the society.

One I hope you aren't using the term "southern" as a derogatory term to infer that people of the south are of less intellect or "redneck" in your mind. Because that would have you result to name calling instead of debate, something pro gun control people too often result to that makes them look small minded and out of options to come back in a intelligent way.

I have met many people from many places and many areas and their geographical location often had nothing to do with their education or more importantly WISDOM. Personally I neither claim to be smarter or above you, but I don't believe I am below you either. Let's debate and see where this ends because its not about winning the argument, its about exchange of ideas and opinions at the end of the day.

I have known many gun owners in my time civilian , active military and police. I have seen many civilian just as capable and trusty worthy with a firearm as many police or military. While police and military receive training, that is not to say a civilian can't be of competence and good judgement with a firearm.

At the range I use to see a active police man shoot his rifle with inch wide patterns at 200 yds and he knew what he was doing and safely yet I have known civilians do just the same. I once knew a active military member who we took out his new .45 auto 1911 he had bought and he fumbled with it and couldn't hit the side of a barn due to lack of skill yet he had "military training", he didn't do much better with a AR-15 either. Because his MOS just required him to pass minimum training with a rifle and he hadn't used a firearm 3 years after.