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Old 05-26-2014, 08:14 AM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent View Post
No. Look at the segregation levels of the following:

The 10 most segregated urban areas in America | Slide Show - Salon.com

Milwaukee is the most segregated, with a segregation (dissimilarity) level of 81.52. That means 81.52% of an individual race would have to move to get every neighborhood to reflect the racial composition of the city as a whole.

Pretty segregated to be sure, but still not at the 99% level the SOUTH was at prior to it's forced desegregation

Additionally...

New York Schools Most Segregated in the Nation: The Civil Rights Project at UCLA

The Federal Government and blue states are ignoring their increasing segregation in blue states, but going after a minutely small student demographic shift elsewhere? Why? Just another way Democrats are failing minorities in their own blue states.

Holder went after Louisiana's voucher system because 9% of the vouchers were going to white low-income students. The other 91% were going to minority low-income students, but that didn't matter. Holder wanted to end them for the minority 91% to go after the white 9%. How absurd is that? If he's going to be so zealous in going after what he ridiculously thought was segregationist, why won't he go after the blue states' segregation problems? Segregation is okay if you vote Democrat but must be quashed if you vote Republican? Isn't that quite blatantly hypocritical?
The Federal Government is not really "going after" the Southern states much either. In fact, the Supreme Court recently eliminated most of the Federal Civil Rights Act voting regulation controls on the Southern states.

Regarding the "Holder/Voucher/Resegregation of the North" argument - Holder can't MAKE the LAWS. There IS no LAW forcing desegregation on the North. CONGRESS has to DO THAT (you know, that whole "separation of powers thing in the U.S. Constitution).


Holder's job is to ENFORCE EXISTING LAWS - and (as previously mentioned) the South is under specific LAWS that FORCE desegregation upon it. Holder's argument is that the Louisiana state Voucher law undermines those Federal controls. He may be right, he may be wrong. The courts will decide.

Ken

 
Old 05-26-2014, 08:23 AM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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The issue is not what they contributed, but rather who was intentionally excluded from participating. That shutting out is, Thank God, gone, with or w/o the OP's consent.
Gone by those of you who apparently hate "old white men" and do not want their participation.

Gone like racism, right?
 
Old 05-26-2014, 08:23 AM
 
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There's nothing wrong with contributions by old White men - but there's something seriously wrong when contributions are ONLY by old White men.
It's not the 1700's any more.

Ken
I never said there should be ONLY white men, despite the fact that there were ONLY white men running the country for most of our existence. You and I likely would not be here if not for white men, and certainly not enjoying the freedom and prosperity that we have.
That is not to say others cannot now help to run the country, but to disparage white men as if there is something wrong with them is not right.
I asked you why you made the disdainful comment toward "old white men"?

One wonders if the liberal news media has somehow brainwashed people into thinking that "diversity is our greatest strength".
In reality our greatest strength is assimilation into the American culture, regardless of ones race, ethnic background or religion.
Somehow we are losing site of that which has always sustained us as a culture and a people. Then again with divisive leaders like our AG and president, along with the liberal media, it is little wonder why we have lost our way.
 
Old 05-26-2014, 08:24 AM
 
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Not from what I've seen here in Texas and read about in Florida.
Read the polls then. Who marched in our streets demanding amnesty? What group has several advocacy groups demanding CIR aka amnesty? Come on surely you know this. Florida is comprised of mostly Cuban-Hispanics. They have no vested interest in Mexicans flooding our borders. It is mostly the Hispanics of Mexican and other Latino roots that are demanding amnesty.
 
Old 05-26-2014, 08:26 AM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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There is a mix....just like every group.

My Hispanic X-sister-in-law is VERY conservative.......much more than me.

IMO.....it comes from her deep Catholic childhood teachings.
Yup - and you touch upon a subject many of us (left of center) folks have been saying over and over and over again on this board - that the "vurllant anti-illegal immigation" stance of many Rightwing folks on this board is actually simple anti-Hispanic racism under the excuse of "inforcing the law" - and while those wingnut folks deny it, it sure comes across that way (especially when accompanied by comments such as those by the poster you were responding to). The truth is, as a group, Hispanics are often VERY Conservative and would make natural allies for the GOP. Unfortunately for the GOP, the party has way too many very vocal obvious racists - with the predictably result that the GOP is driving this fastest-growing demographic in the country into the willing arms of the Democratic Party.

Ken
 
Old 05-26-2014, 08:28 AM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Originally Posted by Oldglory View Post
Read the polls then. Who marched in our streets demanding amnesty? What group has several advocacy groups demanding CIR aka amnesty? Come on surely you know this. Florida is comprised of mostly Cuban-Hispanics. They have no vested interest in Mexicans flooding our borders. It is mostly the Hispanics of Mexican and other Latino roots that are demanding amnesty.
The fact that "most people demanding amnesty" are Hispanic does NOT mean that "most Hispanics are demanding amnesty".
You've clearly NEVER studied logic.


Ken
 
Old 05-26-2014, 08:32 AM
 
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Eric Holder's racist fear-mongering isn't any better than Pat Buchanan's.
Why assail Pat Buchanan for pointing out historical realities in other countries, and what he fears will happen here?
Try reading his book first before you want to do the easy thing and assume racism just because he is not PC.
 
Old 05-26-2014, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Pa
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Is it irrational to doubt people who have been caught lying to you repeatedly?
 
Old 05-26-2014, 08:39 AM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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I never said there should be ONLY white men, despite the fact that there were ONLY white men running the country for most of our existence. You and I likely would not be here if not for white men, and certainly not enjoying the freedom and prosperity that we have.
That is not to say others cannot now help to run the country, but to disparage white men as if there is something wrong with them is not right.
I asked you why you made the disdainful comment toward "old white men"?

One wonders if the liberal news media has somehow brainwashed people into thinking that "diversity is our greatest strength".
In reality our greatest strength is assimilation into the American culture, regardless of ones race, ethnic background or religion.
Somehow we are losing site of that which has always sustained us as a culture and a people. Then again with divisive leaders like our AG and president, along with the liberal media, it is little wonder why we have lost our way.
I ALREADY TOLD YOU.
I have nothing against the country being run by "old White men" - just against the country being ONLY run by "old White men". That time is PASSED. And yes, "Old White men" founded this country - so what? "Old White men" ran EVERY country at that time - both ones based on good Democratic ideals and ones based on ancient unfair ideas like Monarchy. WHO ELSE was going to found America - Black slaves who had no political power, almost no property and almost no rights? Or White women - who had no poltical power, almost no property and very few rights? The ONLY people in the position to FOUND the country were "old White men" - that's just the way things were back then. I'm not going to put "old Whte men" on a pedistal because a relative handful of "old White men" were wise enough and good enought to set up a Democratic state. Old White men can be both good or bad. In our case we were FORTUNATE that OUR "old White men" were "enlightened" enough to see that was an alternative to Monarchy - but most "old Whte men" of the time (including many even in this country" were not "enlightened" enough to think that way.

That's just a fact.

Ken
 
Old 05-26-2014, 08:45 AM
 
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Yup - and you touch upon a subject many of us (left of center) folks have been saying over and over and over again on this board - that the "vurllant anti-illegal immigation" stance of many Rightwing folks on this board is actually simple anti-Hispanic racism under the excuse of "inforcing the law" - and while those wingnut folks deny it, it sure comes across that way (especially when accompanied by comments such as those by the poster you were responding to). The truth is, as a group, Hispanics are often VERY Conservative and would make natural allies for the GOP. Unfortunately for the GOP, the party has way too many very vocal obvious racists - with the predictably result that the GOP is driving this fastest-growing demographic in the country into the willing arms of the Democratic Party.

Ken
The Republican Party is not made up of "conservatives".

The "party" despises them.

The Republicans are fatheads.

The Democrats are meatheads.

This is the dirty little secret that is kept all in the family.
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