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As used in this chapter, “records” includes all books, papers, maps, photographs, machine readable materials, or other documentary materials, regardless of physical form or characteristics, made or received by an agency of the United States Government under Federal law or in connection with the transaction of public business and preserved or appropriate for preservation by that agency or its legitimate successor as evidence of the organization, functions, policies, decisions, procedures, operations, or other activities of the Government or because of the informational value of data in them. Library and museum material made or acquired and preserved solely for reference or exhibition purposes, extra copies of documents preserved only for convenience of reference, and stocks of publications and of processed documents are not included.
"Records" is not a statutorily defined term in FOIA. In fact it appears that the only definition of this term in the U.S. Code is that in the Federal Records Act. 44 U.S.C. § 3301. This definition is intended, however, only to define those categories of materials "made or received by an agency of the United States Government . . ." which must be preserved except as authorized by the Archivist. As used in FOIA, the term generally includes everything mentioned in this definition. But the Federal Records Act was passed for records management purposes, while FOIA was passed to strengthen the public's right to know. It seems clear that for FOIA purposes, "records" includes all tangible recordations of information regardless of whether they are records under 44 U.S.C. § 3301.
Yes, emails are stored on servers. Then they have RAID servers that duplicate the server for backup. Do we really believe that government wouldn't have a backup system in place. To claim otherwise is admitting total incompetence but believe me, they have a backup system.
Uh, the Bush White House lost tens of thousands of e-mails. Funny, I don't recall a single Republican being the least bit concerned. Funny how that works.
Let me just state the obvious for anyone who believes this. Emails are not stored on your computer. They are stored on servers. Servers that are back up and backed up and backed up. Do they really think we are just stupid and are going to believe this?! What they said is impossible.
This is watergate folks. Cover up. You do not lose emails due to computer crash, end of story.
There is no way they dont have back up systems. And they would not be searching her pc for emails anyways. What happens on her pc is meaningless when servers exist. If my crappy company I work for has managed to not lose me 10000 plus emails in 7 years, there is zero chance the IRS did.
I swear to .... I want to see one liberal come here and claim they believe this. This scandal just got bigger. People need to be going to prison.
I share your frustration, but can we drop the liberal vs. conservative tags? We'ere Americans first.
United We Stand, Divided We Fall.
What we need to do is get the best and brightest from all sides coming together.
Really? Which Republican president might that be? Since the only two Republicans to have "served" in the Internet era are the Bush bobbleheads, it must be George W Bush you're referring to.
And what did we hear from Republicans? ~crickets~ Seems to me an objective person would wonder if this isn't just more in a series of cheap politics and partisan hypocrisy.
Really? Which Republican president might that be? Since the only two Republicans to have "served" in the Internet era are the Bush bobbleheads, it must be George W Bush you're referring to.
And what did we hear from Republicans? ~crickets~ Seems to me an objective person would wonder if this isn't just more in a series of cheap politics and partisan hypocrisy.
Quote:
1982
- The National Security Council (NSC) staff at the White House acquires a
prototype electronic mail system, from IBM, called the Professional Office
System (PROFs).
April 1985
- The PROFs e-mail system becomes fully operational within the NSC, including
not only the full staff, but also home terminals for the National Security
Adviser, Robert "Bud" McFarlane, and his deputy, Admiral John M. Poindexter.
November 1986
- The remainder of the White House comes on line with electronic mail, at
first with the PROFs system, and later (by the end of the 1980s) through a
variety of systems including VAX A-1 ("All in One"), and ccmail.
Let me just state the obvious for anyone who believes this. Emails are not stored on your computer. They are stored on servers. Servers that are back up and backed up and backed up. Do they really think we are just stupid and are going to believe this?! What they said is impossible.
This is watergate folks. Cover up. You do not lose emails due to computer crash, end of story.
Yes, it is possible. The IRS reused its tapes/disc-to-disc every six months, meaning the back-ups expired. Anything Ms. Lerner wanted to archive beyond six months had to copied into her local PST file. If her desktop crapped out, the e-mails were gone. This system and policy is not atypical in either the government or business worlds. Storing back-ups at Iron Mountain is shockingly expensive, and in the midst of sequestration and other budgetary constraints, we really should not be at all surprised at this development. Here's a example from a multi-national company whose name you would recognize: thirty days for everything, including intellectual property -- yes, everything -- and there are no PC back-ups. You want it archived? You personally put it on a file server.
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