Let's be honest: The Western consumer sought oil in Iraq (weapons, solutions)
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Completely wrong.
The purpose was to protect the Petro-Dollar, while also freeing up military assets by ending the No Fly-Zone, and building bases and infrastructure for the future war with Iran, in addition to giving the US a constant excuse to intervene at any time.
Only to the extent that it supports the Petro-Dollar.
Honestly.....
Mircea
Except that they are now facing a mighty powerful nation --one that was kept in check by Hussein-- that now brazenly manipulates the government we put in placed. I'm talking about Iran, which now has become a formidable enemy.
Pretty sad to cite him invading his neighbors, when we invaded Iraq ourselves for absolutely nothing. Why did we invade Vietnam?
I can see how the alarm over Vietnam falling to communism made our political elites commit the country to a stupid war. But this one was pure manipulation. It was a scam.
I can see how the alarm over Vietnam falling to communism made our political elites commit the country to a stupid war. But this one was pure manipulation. It was a scam.
> The way I looked at it was that since Saddam, and his loathsome offspring, were largely a monster _we_ had created we had some responsibility to clean up. The problem was that only the Americans were equipped to do it, and the Americans have a lousy track-record on reconstruction. I still think that a competent White House could have achieved a positive outcome (though I doubt a competent White House would have gone in in the first place.)
What do you expect, the American middle class to genuinely care about "democracy" and "freedom" in Iraq? Common, we don't have the foggiest idea how's life in Iraq. I hear not a single project worth mentioning was finished with the money that poured into Iraq because CORRUPTION swallowed everything. As for freedom, I believe they live in fear to go out, not unlike us. That's why the "beautiful people" live in a Green Zone. The elites probably can sit in outdoor cafes, take a stroll along the streets and enjoy the good life. That's what we all want.
Not because the WMDs or to bring democracy to Iraq. That was the excuse, and, unless you are retarded, you understood what was the real reason for the war.
Things came out wrong, and then theme became "We support our troops." Sure, how nice. They put them in danger, and then they send them moral support. Never did they say something truly patriotic like "Hey, here's my son!" Yes, blame Bush-Cheney, but they got public support even after the failure to find the WMDs. They were reelected. Some were genuinely fooled but they were a minority.
This war is and always has been about consumption and selfishness.
So anyone who does not view things in the same simplistic way that you do, is a 'retard?'
If we really were all consumed with the selfish consumption of oil, it would have been much, much easier For Bush and his Republican controlled Legislative Branch to open up all drilling for oil right here in the United States, and not in a dangerous and unstable Mid East.
If we drilled here we'd be assured of having nothing but US oil companies owning the oil and profits, instead of hoping that they could get something close to that in Iraq. Driling in the USA would also not incur the risk of attacks from Islamic terrorists as we have in Iraq..
Sort of highlights my point, if as the OP claims, the 'real reason' Bush went to war with Iraq was over oil, then he'd have drilled at home to ensure only US oil companies had the oil, instead of China getting some of it.
So anyone who does not view things in the same simplistic way that you do, is a 'retard?'
If we really were all consumed with the selfish consumption of oil, it would have been much, much easier For Bush and his Republican controlled Legislative Branch to open up all drilling for oil right here in the United States, and not in a dangerous and unstable Mid East.
If we drilled here we'd be assured of having nothing but US oil companies owning the oil and profits, instead of hoping that they could get something close to that in Iraq. Driling in the USA would also not incur the risk of attacks from Islamic terrorists as we have in Iraq..
See, our leaders want more. It's not like they'll be satisfied with what we've got. Remember, the "fracking boom" didn't exist. And turning frugal would have been too smart. How many smart policies you see going around among the conservatives? Besides, we expected a quick victory --and it was-- but the aftermath was poorly planned or not planned at all. Our energy policies show similar lack of imagination.
Conservatives oppose any alternative to oil and coal. Bush spoke of our "oil addiction" but didn't elaborate how to treat the addiction. He spoke of alternative vehicles and a permanent base on the moon...
Loyalty to a party makes you vote without questioning.
From a speech by GW Bush:
It is in our vital interest to diversify America’s energy supply--and the way forward is through technology. Dramatic advances are within reach. Let us build on the work we have done and reduce gasoline usage in the United States by 20% in the next ten years--thereby cutting our total imports by the equivalent of 3/4 of all the oil we now import from the Middle East. To reach this goal, we must increase the supply of alternative fuels, by setting a mandatory fuels standard to require 35 billion gallons of renewable and alternative fuels in 2017--this is nearly five times the current target. At the same time, we need to reform and modernize fuel economy standards for cars the way we did for light trucks--and conserve up to eight and a half billion more gallons of gasoline by 2017.
Sort of highlights my point, if as the OP claims, the 'real reason' Bush went to war with Iraq was over oil, then he'd have drilled at home to ensure only US oil companies had the oil, instead of China getting some of it.
Maybe another side effect of the war is to spread around the corruption, destroy something, rebuild it...
Sounds familiar.
The average voter never expected Iran to benefit from the war. This foresight and complexity escapes the casual observer. There's something called the "law of unintended consequences." They never paid attention to corruption or third countries that may benefit from it.
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