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This surprises me only because low-income people watch a ridiculous amount of television and you'd think they'd learn some form of proper English better than non-English speaking immigrants?
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im confused here.
LEP and English as a second language are not one in the same.
English can indeed be a second language , but that doesnt mean the person doesnt know English well. One of the 11th grade English teachers at my school was originally from Honduras, however she grew up here on a military base.
also, the link in the OP says that one of the districts in the state did not have enough English as a second language students to compile statistics on.
Could we be talking about a group of maybe 30 kids performing better than an average of 5,000 kids ???? If so then all this test shows is that a few kids did well.
Does this mean Republicans will do something to help the black community?
(I doubt it.)
Black community needs to help itself.
No amount of social engineering will ever change that. They want to speak like they live in the gutter and talk like uneducated louts, that's their lookout.
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Black community needs to help itself.
No amount of social engineering will ever change that. They want to speak like they live in the gutter and talk like uneducated louts, that's their lookout.
Is it true if the male teacher is not black ? I suppose it would be illegal to advertise for hire or hire only male/black male teachers.
I don't think race is a factor. Grades and performance indicators have slipped for boys, so several people involved in the education industry sought to find out why that is. Among other factors, boys respond more positively to male teachers and learn more when they are taught in an all boys school; they weren't saying to not have females teach boys, just have some male teachers as well. The other factor was we have been focusing on girls and they have made tremendous gains, unfortunately this has been at the expense of boys. Girls also showed marked improvement when taught in a single sex school, but the improvement was not as dramatic as the boys.
The problem they recommended addressing was to increase recruitment of male teachers, but that can't be done until males decide to become teachers and they won't do that or choose elementary ED. if the pay is low or if they are seen as less manly.
Now, I don't think it would be illegal to hire only male or black male teachers though. Almost 80% of teachers are female and 90%+ are female in the elementary schools. So call it affirmative action if you want, but males are underrepresented in education and the research indicates that male teachers make a difference.
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I was actually debating someone about this on Twitter a few weeks ago. They produced a study and to his chagrin it said that black male teachers have little affect on test scores or outcomes. What I suspect does happen though is that black male teacher may have an easier time controlling the classroom.
I don't know how much, if any, influence a black male teacher will have that a white male teacher won't. A black male teacher, it's been argued, can provide a positive role model for young black boys & men. However, I was originally speaking about male teachers in general.
And white students in Charleston only performed "14 and 33 percent higher" than ESL students. That is shameful. But hey, a thread that disparages minorities from EdrawdA!
LEP and English as a second language are not one in the same.
English can indeed be a second language , but that doesnt mean the person doesnt know English well. One of the 11th grade English teachers at my school was originally from Honduras, however she grew up here on a military base.
also, the link in the OP says that one of the districts in the state did not have enough English as a second language students to compile statistics on.
Could we be talking about a group of maybe 30 kids performing better than an average of 5,000 kids ???? If so then all this test shows is that a few kids did well.
They found the same thing in Seattle a few years ago. It seems to be pretty consistent wherever the comparisons are being made. Although I did read once about how a Black school in NYC outscored a nearby White school. Evidently the Black school was dominated by Caribbean Blacks while the White school was full of Albanians.
African-American students whose primary language is English perform significantly worse in math and reading than black students who speak another language at home — typically immigrants or refugees — according to new numbers released by Seattle Public Schools.
District officials, who presented the finding at a recent community meeting at Rainier Beach High School, noted the results come with caveats, but called the potential trend troubling and pledged to study what might be causing it.
Michael Tolley, an executive director overseeing Southeast Seattle schools, said at the meeting that the data exposed a new achievement gap that is "extremely, extremely alarming."
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