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Old 09-05-2014, 01:13 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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What you miss is that the world is not the same place it was when you grew up. That upward mobility is increasingly going the way of bigfoot. It works for people like me, who go to college and grad school and join the white collar world; it does not work for the kinds of people who historically worked blue collar jobs and were able to feed a family and keep a roof over their heads. Nobody every said that the blue collar worker back then should have been rich compared to the white collar worker, but they could still make ends meet. Increasingly not so today.

We have a structural employment and income problem in this country. and it goes far beyond the usual "is the figurehead in office a Republican or Democrat, blah blah."
The majority of burger flippers are kids.

And as far as the adults that have made McDonald's their "career"..I seriously doubt any of them could do better.

Most FF workers only stay 6 months on the job before they move to the next FF place.
FF is the most transient job out there. That's why it pays min wage.
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Old 09-05-2014, 01:13 PM
 
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What you miss is that the world is not the same place it was when you grew up. That upward mobility is increasingly going the way of bigfoot. It works for people like me, who go to college and grad school and join the white collar world; it does not work for the kinds of people who historically worked blue collar jobs and were able to feed a family and keep a roof over their heads. Nobody every said that the blue collar worker back then should have been rich compared to the white collar worker, but they could still make ends meet. Increasingly not so today.
That is directly the result of the kind of actions you want government to engage in more of.

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We have a structural employment and income problem in this country. and it goes far beyond the usual "is the figurehead in office a Republican or Democrat, blah blah." The problem is that neither traditional Republican/conservative nor Democrat/liberal approaches can fix it. And since we can't possibly move beyond the traditional partisan lines of gridlock, we can't come up with the solution that would be required.
It's entirely caused by the cost of government, be it by creating shortages, imposing costs, taxes, or restricting markets.
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Old 09-05-2014, 01:14 PM
 
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The majority of burger flippers are kids.

And as far as the adults that have made McDonald's their "career"..I seriously doubt any of them could do better.

Most FF workers only stay 6 months on the job before they move to the next FF place.
FF is the most transient job out there. That's why it pays min wage.
Maybe if they got a decent wage with opportunities for raises for hard work they wouldn't leave?
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Old 09-05-2014, 01:14 PM
 
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Yes, that's labor. Well done. The labor is 100% of the cost of the meal?
Ultimately it's the largest expense as that is included in the cost of the product, if you have to buy cups they now cost more. . There is company I know that takes about $1k worth of steel and turns it into a $9k product. It's not the steel making it worth $9k.
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Old 09-05-2014, 01:15 PM
 
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Another day, another batch of angry conservatives complaining about people trying to get paid a living wage. I missed the memo where burger flippers deserve to starve.
I missed the part where you explained how labor is worth more than the end product.

How about you explain that now.
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Old 09-05-2014, 01:15 PM
 
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Why?



Wrong. completely.

Nope. He's absolutely right. He explained his position and you haven't.
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Old 09-05-2014, 01:15 PM
 
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Why?
Because we aren't a third world country (yet).

Conservatives are trying their damnest to get us there.
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Old 09-05-2014, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Nothing is wrong with them making that. The wrong part is forcing private companies to pay them that under threats of fines and incarceration.
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Old 09-05-2014, 01:16 PM
 
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Maybe if they got a decent wage with opportunities for raises for hard work they wouldn't leave?
There's no opportunity or wealth in low value labor.
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Old 09-05-2014, 01:18 PM
 
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There's no opportunity or wealth in low value labor.
The goal of society isn't acquisition of wealth. Not everyone can be wealthy. If everyone was "wealthy" no one is wealthy.
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