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Old 09-09-2014, 08:42 PM
 
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No classism in Norway?
There is, but there level of inequality is nowhere as high as ours.
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Old 09-09-2014, 08:52 PM
 
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Why shouldn't we have it in the US? It would make this country much more prosperous. The Nordic Model is the best example of a mixed economy thus far. Why Americans oppose it? I have no idea.
It is a much smaller nation than America. There is a lot less infrastructure.

Their population is positively microscopic compared to America.

They do not have tens of thousands of illegal immigrants coming in every year.

They have a nationalized oil industry subsidizing their government.

Their population is homogenous.

Their economy is much less diversified.

Those are the reasons their model would not work in America. It's not a matter of the Nordic model being good or bad. That's a whole other discussion. It's a matter of it being a practical impossibility to run a huge, highly populated, and diverse nation with the same policies that work in a tiny, tight-knit country with few people.

It's the same thing as saying if you can do addition in your head then why can't you solve quadratic equations in your head. There are just too many factors, variables, and operations required.
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Old 09-09-2014, 08:53 PM
 
Location: Spokane, WA
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No classism in Norway?
Too many white people. Sounds atrocious, where's the vibrancy and diversity? Can't these blond haired blued eyed devils use some education from *anyone not white* other people?

I'm mostly a Scandinavian descendant, and remember how well received my children were when we lived in "diverse" Baltimore. Great to hear the black Dad, announce when my two blonde haired blue eyed boys showed up to play basketball, exclaim "The Aryan Nation is Here!" got a good chuckle out of that one.

Yep, Norway and the US, just about the same. Can't figure out why it would not work here. Puzzling.

Must be those racist Republican rich white racist homophobic racist rich white people. Otherwise we'd be just like the Norwegians.
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Old 09-09-2014, 09:05 PM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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America has a state that compares very well with Scandinavia in all respects even climate. It even has a lot of Scandinavians who traveled thousands of miles to be there! It is the great state of Minnesota!
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Old 09-09-2014, 09:10 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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^^It's colder in Minneapolis than Stockholm, by a longshot.
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Old 09-09-2014, 09:11 PM
 
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It is a much smaller nation than America. There is a lot less infrastructure.
What does scale have to do with it? Tons of small countries are impoverished. Not to mention that the US is a huge country, yet has a standard of living much higher than most countries.

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Their population is positively microscopic compared to America.

Okay?
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They do not have tens of thousands of illegal immigrants coming in every year.
A welfare state could only be exclusive to citizens. Illegals are already blocked from most if not all public assistance as it is already.

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They have a nationalized oil industry subsidizing their government.

We could do the same here with the right political effort. We just have an ignorant populous that elect the wrong politicians.

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Their population is homogenous.
This is one of the biggest myths perpetrated from those who oppose Scandinavian prosperity. Scandinavia is not homogenous. Finland is divided by two genetically and culturally different demographics, not to mention a growing immigration population.

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Their economy is much less diversified.
Okay, and what does this have to do with anything.

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Those are the reasons their model would not work in America. It's not a matter of the Nordic model being good or bad. That's a whole other discussion. It's a matter of it being a practical impossibility to run a huge, highly populated, and diverse nation with the same policies that work in a tiny, tight-knit country with few people.
You have yet provided an argument as to why the model in question can't work in a large country.

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It's the same thing as saying if you can do addition in your head then why can't you solve quadratic equations in your head. There are just too many factors, variables, and operations required.
False equivalency
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Old 09-09-2014, 09:15 PM
 
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No. It isn't.

Finland, especially in males, and Denmark, especially in females, and lower in Norway and Iceland, with Sweden in a middle position. The statistics are found to be comparable. In this article the development from 1880 to the present day is described, and special emphasis is laid on the development from 1960 onwards. Denmark and Finland still keep the top position, while the rise in suicide rates, especially in the age group 15-29 years, has been most marked in Norway. Within the Nordic region Greenland has an extremely high suicide rate, especially in youngsters, while the Faroe islands have a very low rate. Tentative explanations are given for the development of suicide rates in the Nordic countries.
I said basically identical. They do have higher rates, but our rate is basically identical. Finland is the only real outlier.

Finland: 16.5
Sweden: 11.3
USA: 10.1
Norway: 10.9
Iceland: 10.4

World suicide rates by country
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Old 09-09-2014, 09:18 PM
 
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This is one of the biggest myths perpetrated from those who oppose Scandinavian prosperity. Scandinavia is not homogenous. Finland is divided by two genetically and culturally different demographics, not to mention a growing immigration population.
What he means is that Scandinavians are Scandinavian, but Americans are not American.
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Old 09-09-2014, 09:21 PM
 
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What he means is that Scandinavians are Scandinavian, but Americans are not American.
Being born in the US doesn't make you an American?

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Old 09-09-2014, 09:32 PM
 
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Being born in the US doesn't make you an American?

No it doesn't.

Hence, we are not homogenous, but Scandinavians are.

What do YOU think he means?
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