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Old 09-28-2014, 05:15 AM
 
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I am trying to conserve money for the tax payer. I don't think history should be taught with extorted funds. it's not rocket science.

Are you saying it would be ok to teach rocket science with extorted funds?
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Old 09-28-2014, 05:18 AM
 
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Are you saying it would be ok to teach rocket science with extorted funds?
we teach everything with extorted funds. anything with the word "public" in front of it is funded by force. again, not rocket science.
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Old 09-28-2014, 05:22 AM
 
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So you consider the American Revolutionaries who engaged in civil disorder hooligans?
You demonstrate well the moral dysfunction of liberals. The American Revolutionaries were protesting against an autocratic government that denied them representation. OWS was protesting being expected to to responsibility for themselves and pay off their college loans. The anti-war hippies in the 60s were protesting against their legitimately elected leaders participating in a conflict in an entirely lawful manner and declaring their devotion to peace and love by bombing and killing and abusing illegal drugs. The Ferguson people and Rodney King people were using episodes of alleged police abuse that hadn't even been proven yet to loot and pillage the businesses of their own neighbors.

It's a shame you're unable to comprehend the differences there.
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Old 09-28-2014, 05:22 AM
 
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we teach everything with extorted funds. anything with the word "public" in front of it is funded by force. again, not rocket science.
Are you now complaining that we teach everything with 'extorted funds' but not 'rocket science'?
Should rocket science be included in a public school curriculum? Would that make you happy or happier?
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Old 09-28-2014, 05:42 AM
 
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Are you now complaining that we teach everything with 'extorted funds' but not 'rocket science'?
Should rocket science be included in a public school curriculum? Would that make you happy or happier?
I already stated that I am against all "public" education.
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Old 09-28-2014, 05:49 AM
 
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You demonstrate well the moral dysfunction of liberals. The American Revolutionaries were protesting against an autocratic government that denied them representation.
no, they protested taxes
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Old 09-28-2014, 06:12 AM
 
Location: Twin Cities
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People seem unaware that the changes are coming from the College Board, authors of the AP curriculum, and that conservatives are protesting the nature of these changes. The opposition to the changes is rooted in a belief that they promote a certain political slant on US history which they find to be in opposition to their own views. Now, I think it's hard to teach history without any political bias at all; the question is what bias is incorporated.

The issue of civil disobedience is hardly what is at question. In fact, one of the conservative critcisms of the new AP curriiculum is that ir makes no mention of Rosa Parks or Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. The critics are not so much concerned about what is included in the new AP curriculum as what is omitted, and what bias are reflected in those omissions.

For example, one critic points out this statement as biased:

"The mass mobilization of American society to supply troops for the war effort and a workforce on the home front ended the Great Depression and provided opportunities for women and minorities to improve their socioeconomic positions. Wartime experiences, such as the internment of Japanese Americans, challenges to civil liberties, debates over race and segregation, and the decision to drop the atomic bomb raised questions about American values."

The critic cites Page 70 of the curriculum Framework, and says, "Note that that the Framework’s complete coverage of World War II is contained in these two sentences. The Framework completely omits all mention of American military commanders, battles, and the valor of our servicemen and women who ended the long night of Nazi oppression. Also note that the Framework completely omits the Holocaust.)"

The Vietnam and Korean Wars are also covered in the Framework in one sentence.

Those who want to learn more about the critics' position might read this article."

Analysis of the College Board AP U.S. History Framework | Heartland Institute

The authors' response defending the curriculum is here.
http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-...story-redesign

And here is the critic's rebuttal.
http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-...story-redesign

Read these and you will fairly well informed on the issue.

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Old 09-28-2014, 06:15 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Students in Colorado have been practicing civil disobedience over a proposal by three Conservative school board members that seeks to rewrite history and minimize the teaching of civil disobedience:

"The school board proposal that triggered the walkouts calls for instructional materials that present positive aspects of the nation and its heritage. It would establish a committee to regularly review texts and course plans, starting with Advanced Placement history, to make sure materials “promote citizenship, patriotism, essentials and benefits of the free-market system, respect for authority and respect for individual rights” and don’t “encourage or condone civil disorder, social strife or disregard of the law.”

Denver students stage walkout over whitewashing history | Al Jazeera America

Good on the students. It seems it's the Conservatives here who need some lessons in history. This country was founded on civil disobedience and disregard for the law.

Common Core is a Conservative policy in the Progressive Dept. Of Ed???
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Old 09-28-2014, 06:17 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Are you saying it would be ok to teach rocket science with extorted funds?
Technically, you said that.
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Old 09-28-2014, 06:24 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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No, it was founded on the belief that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, that among that those rights are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That governments exist to DEFEND THOSE RIGHTS, and when they fail to do that, they are no longer legitimate, and the people have a right to remove those governments and replace them with ones that do.

That's a far cry from being hooligans who fight for lies.
All men, so long as they were free white men.

Women, Indians, African and Irish slaves, not so much.
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