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Old 09-28-2014, 06:32 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Not Denver, give credit where credit is due. This is happening in Jefferson County, a more conservative place than Denver.

In JeffCo history curriculum protests, students find their voice | CPR
Several stories, if you follow the link back.
Okay, I'm beginning to get an understanding of the problem. This quote from one article is helpful:
"Conservatives, like Williams, across the country are upset over the new version. They say certain figures in American history are left out in the new framework and argue what is taught is too negative. They also say there is too much content about women, slavery, and Native Americans." - See more at: QUIZ: A peek at the new history coursework that sparked JeffCo proposal | CPR
If something is being left out, such as mention of important figures (exactly who is being left out is not mentioned), that is wrong.

Neither should there be undue emphasis on what are contemporary political issues, such as "women's issues," or slavery (the view of which in contemporary American is totally distorted, as is what is taught about the treatment of "Native" Americans). I would take issue with these things.

Slavery, for example, is portrayed as a uniquely American problem; the enslavement of blacks by whites. There is never any mention of the fact that the Atlantic Slave Trade began long before the founding of America, and was run by Muslims. Slavery existed (and still exists) in the world long before any settlers came to the Americas, and more slaves were exported to South America by the Slave Traders than to North America.

America did not invent slavery. But America abolished it in America. This fact is never mentioned.
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Old 09-28-2014, 06:37 AM
 
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Neither should there be undue emphasis on what are contemporary political issues, such as "women's issues," or slavery (the view of which in contemporary American is totally distorted, as is what is taught about the treatment of "Native" Americans). I would take issue with these things.

Slavery, for example, is portrayed as a uniquely American problem; the enslavement of blacks by whites. There is never any mention of the fact that the Atlantic Slave Trade began long before the founding of America, and was run by Muslims. Slavery existed (and still exists) in the world long before any settlers came to the Americas, and more slaves were exported to South America by the Slave Traders than to North America.

America did not invent slavery. But America abolished it in America. This fact is never mentioned.
It wasn't. I thougth that abolishment of slavery is usually given as a reason for a civil war.
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Old 09-28-2014, 06:46 AM
 
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I am trying to conserve money for the tax payer. I don't think history should be taught with extorted funds. it's not rocket science.
Because if the history of taxation is taught in schools, that puts a crimp in your plan to make taxes unpatriotic.

I am neither a historian nor a conservative, so please refresh my history knowledge and tell me when in American history when taxes did not exist?

Seems to me you not wanting taxes is a progressive idea; not conservative at all.
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Old 09-28-2014, 06:49 AM
 
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Because if the history of taxation is taught in schools, that puts a crimp in your plan to make taxes unpatriotic.

I am neither a historian nor a conservative, so please refresh my history knowledge and tell me when in American history when taxes did not exist?

Seems to me you not wanting taxes is a progressive idea; not conservative at all.
when did I say I didn't want taxes? I don't recall saying that at all. the income tax is what disgusts me.
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Old 09-28-2014, 06:54 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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"and don’t “encourage or condone civil disorder, social strife or disregard of the law.”"

Not encouraging or condoning civil disorder would certainly seem to be against all civil disobedience.
It didn't say "discourage" civil disobedience, which is a huge distinction. Or maybe I'm missing something?

This whole thing sounds suspiciously stupid to me.
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Old 09-28-2014, 07:03 AM
 
Location: Plymouth Meeting, PA.
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It would establish a committee to regularly review texts and course plans, starting with Advanced Placement history, to make sure materials “promote citizenship, patriotism, essentials and benefits of the free-market system, respect for authority and respect for individual rights†and don’t “encourage or condone civil disorder, social strife or disregard of the law.â€
I'm sorry. what is the problem with this again????
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Old 09-28-2014, 07:08 AM
 
Location: Plymouth Meeting, PA.
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Good.

[2 + 2 does not equal 5]


Hmmm....sounds like Obama's Common Core Curriculum for Math where 2 + 2 does equal 5 if you feel like letting it equal 5.
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Old 09-28-2014, 07:13 AM
 
Location: Plymouth Meeting, PA.
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yep. Look no further than the Philadelphia Teachers Union.


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no. teacher's unions work to undermine public education by rewarding failures. you can shake your head all you want, but the facts are there. you comment is also riddled with contradictions.
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Old 09-28-2014, 07:15 AM
 
Location: Plymouth Meeting, PA.
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Nor is it mentioned the Republican Party was created because of slavery and it was they who freed the slaves.

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Okay, I'm beginning to get an understanding of the problem. This quote from one article is helpful:
"Conservatives, like Williams, across the country are upset over the new version. They say certain figures in American history are left out in the new framework and argue what is taught is too negative. They also say there is too much content about women, slavery, and Native Americans." - See more at: QUIZ: A peek at the new history coursework that sparked JeffCo proposal | CPR
If something is being left out, such as mention of important figures (exactly who is being left out is not mentioned), that is wrong.

Neither should there be undue emphasis on what are contemporary political issues, such as "women's issues," or slavery (the view of which in contemporary American is totally distorted, as is what is taught about the treatment of "Native" Americans). I would take issue with these things.

Slavery, for example, is portrayed as a uniquely American problem; the enslavement of blacks by whites. There is never any mention of the fact that the Atlantic Slave Trade began long before the founding of America, and was run by Muslims. Slavery existed (and still exists) in the world long before any settlers came to the Americas, and more slaves were exported to South America by the Slave Traders than to North America.

America did not invent slavery. But America abolished it in America. This fact is never mentioned.
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Old 09-28-2014, 07:16 AM
 
Location: Plymouth Meeting, PA.
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Really? If anything liberals including your pagan god in the white house really need to learn history because we seem to be repeating history as we speak.


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Good for those kids. Conservatives continue to curse this land with their regressive ideas.
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