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Baloney. This is teaching kids to disobey legimate authority if they don't agree with it. This is how you end up dead in the middle of the street in Ferguson.
In that case, according to your post, what is the 2nd amendment for?
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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
I wonder how much the school faculty & or teachers' union played a part in the students' walkout? No detail of the changes were given so how are the students to know exactly what changes are being made? I wonder if this was a matter of members of the board trying to counter school teachers who hate USA so much that they pass their personal beliefs and opinions about American history highlighting all the negatives without showing the positives?
Okay, I'm beginning to get an understanding of the problem. This quote from one article is helpful:
"Conservatives, like Williams, across the country are upset over the new version. They say certain figures in American history are left out in the new framework and argue what is taught is too negative. They also say there is too much content about women, slavery, and Native Americans." - See more at: QUIZ: A peek at the new history coursework that sparked JeffCo proposal | CPR
If something is being left out, such as mention of important figures (exactly who is being left out is not mentioned), that is wrong.
Neither should there be undue emphasis on what are contemporary political issues, such as "women's issues," or slavery (the view of which in contemporary American is totally distorted, as is what is taught about the treatment of "Native" Americans). I would take issue with these things.
Slavery, for example, is portrayed as a uniquely American problem; the enslavement of blacks by whites. There is never any mention of the fact that the Atlantic Slave Trade began long before the founding of America, and was run by Muslims. Slavery existed (and still exists) in the world long before any settlers came to the Americas, and more slaves were exported to South America by the Slave Traders than to North America.
America did not invent slavery. But America abolished it in America. This fact is never mentioned.
Slaves went back to biblical times when God gave regulations about the discipline and treatment of slaves to Moses.
There is something confusing about this story, or how you portray it. It sounds to me as though what they are proposing is to eliminate the re-writing of history that has been the domain of the Leftists for the last 50 years, and begin to teach the real history of our country once again, as we were taught when I was growing up.
What has been taught in our schools for at least the last 30 years, is that the history of America as previously taught is a lie.
I wouldn't trust anything from Al Jazeera, one of the worlds great propaganda machines; the modern day Provda.
As a resident of the metro Denver area where we are getting a lot of information about this issue, I read the Al Jazeera article and it's pretty accurate, but not very deep. I posted some links to Colorado Public Radio, which has been doing a good job of reporting on this story. You can also Google the Denver Post for more detailed information.
What colonists? Those were a few rich slave owners who didn't feel like paying taxes to the crown.
Most of the colonist didn't give a damn about any revolutions as the Crown was a benevolent ruler: no tyranny, no death squads or abuse we had a limited autonomy, we had freedom.
Our revolution was all about taxes for the rich or the 1%'ers as we would call them today.
Somehow they who managed to rally public support for their revolt on the pretence of national pride of the nation that did not exist yet...
C'mon. If we want to teach history let's teach it right...
You're well indoctrinated. First off, it wasn't the taxes. It was the crown imposing new and more taxes upon the colonies without any representation in the government. "Taxation without representation" ring a bell? Those who signed their name onto the Declaration of Independence were in effect signing their death sentence. Some of those who signed were executed by the British. Some of those who signed had family executed by the British. As for the freedom we had and a lack of tyranny,...if that were the case then why were the Bill of Rights needed? Many of the things in the Bill of Rights were rights that the colonies did not enjoy. The only thing you said that was truthful was that not all the colonist wanted to leave the kingdom. Some were afraid to leave the crown, fearful the revolution would fail and the British troops would run rampant on the colonies. Some were enriched by the crown and so separating from the crown could cost them their fortune.
You're well indoctrinated. First off, it wasn't the taxes. It was the crown imposing new and more taxes upon the colonies without any representation in the government. "Taxation without representation" ring a bell?
So it was about the taxes then. And do you realize thet British soldiers were defending the colonies against the French and Indians. Who was supposed to pay for it?
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Those who signed their name onto the Declaration of Independence were in effect signing their death sentence.
Because they committed the act of treason. That's obvious. Nevertheless, those who signed the declaration of independence were in today's terms 1%'ers: mostly rich slave owners who did not want to pay their taxes so they got the commoners to fight for independence from the Crown. Pretty clever.
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As for the freedom we had and a lack of tyranny,...if that were the case then why were the Bill of Rights needed? Many of the things in the Bill of Rights were rights that the colonies did not enjoy.
But most of it was a simple copy of Magna Carta.
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The only thing you said that was truthful was that not all the colonist wanted to leave the kingdom. Some were afraid to leave the crown, fearful the revolution would fail and the British troops would run rampant on the colonies. Some were enriched by the crown and so separating from the crown could cost them their fortune.
LOL No, most colonists didn't give a damn about politics, just as today. What really changed in lives of ordinary people after the declaration of independence? Not much. The British in the colonies were hardly bloody tyrants. lol
I see the ideologues who don't live anywhere near Denver and don't have the foggiest idea who the players are in this latest metro area school board drama have come out to play.
While there may eventually be a long-form article that addresses the myriad of issues underlying what is currently happening in Jefferson County, along with the ... erm...colorful... personalities at the center of it, please know that this controversy is far more complex than what can be covered in an eight paragraph short form article at CNN. It's been building for years, and it's affecting more than one school district. A few minutes of earnest Googling is entirely insufficient for getting a handle on it and developing any semblance of a constructive opinion.
Here's a tip, folks: if you just want to grind your particular political ax and bloviate using JeffCo as your platform, we're not interested. Frankly, you all need to ****!
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I see the ideologues who don't live anywhere near Denver and don't have the foggiest idea who the players are in this latest metro area school board drama have come out to play.
While there may eventually be a long-form article that addresses the myriad of issues underlying what is currently happening in Jefferson County, along with the ... erm...colorful... personalities at the center of it, please know that this controversy is far more complex than what can be covered in an eight paragraph short form article at CNN. It's been building for years, and it's affecting more than one school district. A few minutes of earnest Googling is entirely insufficient for getting a handle on it and developing any semblance of a constructive opinion.
Here's a tip, folks: if you just want to grind your particular political ax and bloviate using JeffCo as your platform, we're not interested. Frankly, you all need to ****!
This is a national issue and the controversy over the changes to the AP history curriculum extends far beyond the borders of Jefferson County, CO. You need to get a little more up to speed on the national news before you tell everyone to ****.
I wonder how much the school faculty & or teachers' union played a part in the students' walkout? No detail of the changes were given so how are the students to know exactly what changes are being made? I wonder if this was a matter of members of the board trying to counter school teachers who hate USA so much that they pass their personal beliefs and opinions about American history highlighting all the negatives without showing the positives?
Glenfield, this is an example of political ax grinding to which I referred. No knowledge of the people involved and only a shallow understanding of the issue, but bloviating all the same. By all means, if you can add something constructive to the discussion -- and it would appear from your previous comment that you do -- go right ahead.
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