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Then it is pretty foolish to be saying "this doesn't disprove AGW" or "The Science is Settled" or "The Debate is Over", isn't it?
Why would you think it's foolish to say "this doesn't disprove AGW" when it doesn't? Among climate scientists the fact of AGW IS settled and the debate IS over....
According to research by the geologist James Lawrence Powell, among 9,136 scientists who published a combined 2,258 peer-reviewed climate articles between November 2012 and December 2013, just one person rejected the idea that humans are changing Earth's climate.
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You say these types of things from a position of authority where you CAN say with certainty that you know how something will behave. We cannot say that about the climate.
What position of authority? I have no such standing. I just believe that the scientists know what they are talking about.
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Yes. There has been a "pause" in warming that even the IPCC and NASA have to admit to now. Some say it may last a decade or more longer, again, we can't say for certain because we don't fully understand the climate.
Granted, the science shows that atmospheric warming has slowed, but not stopped, and so far the reason is unexplained
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Also, calling it a pause as many in the AGW crowd do, presumes that it will resume warming or in their case, resume runaway warming because their bread and butter is alarmism. We don't know that. As you yourself said,
science can't explain everything. It may resume warming, it may cool, it may cycle between warming and cooling as it has in the past.
Are you actually accusing science of being paid for unwarranted alarmism? I seriously doubt if you will see anything other than local cooling anytime soon, since nine of the top 10 hottest years on record have occurred in the 21st century. The other year was 1998, and 2010 was the hottest year of all since record-keeping began in 1880.
2014....The June–August worldwide land surface temperature was 0.91°C (1.64°F) above the 20th century average, the fifth highest on record for this period. The global ocean surface temperature for the same period was 0.63°C (1.13°F) above the 20th century average, the highest on record for June–August. This beats the previous record set in 2009 by 0.04°C (0.07°F).
I have no idea how anyone can say that there is no warming.
The findings are important because oceans absorb about 90 percent of the planet's excess heat, and the Southern Hemisphere accounts for 60 percent of the world's oceans. The latest data suggests that the planet is warming faster than previously thought.
"By using satellite data, along with a large suite of climate model simulations, our results suggest that global ocean warming has been underestimated by 24 to 58 percent," Durack said in a press release. "The conclusion that warming has been underestimated agrees with previous studies, however it's the first time that scientists have tried to estimate how much heat we've missed."
Someone didn't read or understand what they posted. This study is not saying there is no global warming. It is saying the water below 1.24 is not warming. The study is just trying to figure out why b/c the water is warming above 1.24 miles and sea levels are still rising.
The heat capacity of water is much larger than air and thus the amount of thermal energy that is needed to say raise the temperature of a fixed volume (say one cubic meter) of water at 20C one degree is much larger than that needed raise the same fixed volume of air at STP. The oceans have an enormous heat capacity since water below the surface layer is nearly freezing temperature. As far as the ocean depths are concerned its still an ice age and thus it will take sometime to warm up since it was only 12,000 years ago that the last ice age ended. Now as the surface layer warms it may weaken ocean currents since warm water does not want to sink and as cold water at the poles warms up there will even less of a temperature gradiant to drive ocean currents like The Gulf Stream. So an increase in green house gases doe not mean higher temperatures in the immediate future until the colder parts of the oceans warm up by mixing and conduction and look out, the atmosphere might warm up very quickly.
Liberals do a good job making fun of themselves without any help! Thanks for the laugh though!
You can blame fossil fuels, and C02 all you want, but there is no proof they're causing climate/weather change. Stop trying to mess with nature, and change things, everything will be ok.
Oh I forgot to mention, natural gas is claimed as clean, yet it is still a fossil fuel. Are we going to stop using that, since it technically puts out C02 emissions.
The reason we say natural gas is cleaner than burning petroleum or coal is that it is mostly methane which only has C-H bonds and 4 such bonds for each carbon atom. Coal and petroleum have mostly C-C bonds.
Energy is obtained from fossil fuels by breaking those bonds by oxidizing the molecule. So a mole (gram molecular weight ) of methane and coal (remember a mole of anything has the same number of molecules (Avogadro's Number)) when oxidized (i.e. burned) produces a much larger amount of carbon dioxide when coal is burned than methane . On average burning methane produces 40% less CO2 than coal when generating the same amount of thermal energy. Eliminating the use of coal and where ever possible petroleum ( methane powered vehicles, electric power plants or electric powered vehicles and ending the use of oil or coal for heating would almost half this nation's emissions of carbon and can be done with existing technology.
Relying on the close correspondence between hemispheric-scale ocean heat content and steric changes, we adjust the poorly constrained Southern Hemisphere observed warming estimates so that hemispheric ratios are consistent with the broad range of modelled results. These adjustments yield large increases (2.2–7.1 × 1022 J 35 yr−1) to current global upper-ocean heat content change estimates, and have important implications for sea level, the planetary energy budget and climate sensitivity assessments.
The reason we say natural gas is cleaner than burning petroleum or coal is that it is mostly methane which only has C-H bonds and 4 such bonds for each carbon atom. Coal and petroleum have mostly C-C bonds.
Energy is obtained from fossil fuels by breaking those bonds by oxidizing the molecule. So a mole (gram molecular weight ) of methane and coal (remember a mole of anything has the same number of molecules (Avogadro's Number)) when oxidized (i.e. burned) produces a much larger amount of carbon dioxide when coal is burned than methane . On average burning methane produces 40% less CO2 than coal when generating the same amount of thermal energy. Eliminating the use of coal and where ever possible petroleum ( methane powered vehicles, electric power plants or electric powered vehicles and ending the use of oil or coal for heating would almost half this nation's emissions of carbon and can be done with existing technology.
It would be very costly for electricity. Somebody touted germany in another simliar topic. Now lets have a look
Average electricity prices around the world: $/kWh | shrinkthatfootprint.com
Average electricity prices in 2011 for germany were 35 cents a KW And surprise surprise, denmark ( when I read denmark, copenhagen pops into my mind ) oddly enough they have the highest electricity cost at 41 cents a KW...So much for that green bicycle Utopia, I guess what is saved on fuel, is spent on electricity. Green ain't really green if it costs a lot of green.
But isn't the debate supposed to be over on this topic?
LOL. Apparently it is not.
It pretty much is over among climate scientists.
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