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Old 11-07-2014, 12:28 PM
 
Location: North America
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Exactly, and we go back to is it defined as a right, granted by our creator, or a privilege granted by kings?

It never ends.
I argue natural common law, creates our rights and you place statutory law on it to make it a privilege.

Rights are granted by society, not a creator. We live in a secular society, not a theocracy. Regardless if you believe in a deity or not, they are a non factor in this debate.

 
Old 11-07-2014, 12:29 PM
 
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I argue natural common law, creates our rights and you place statutory law on it to make it a privilege.
There's natural law, and there's common law - there's no such thing as natural common law.
 
Old 11-07-2014, 12:30 PM
 
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You were doing good, until that roadblock.
What roadblock are you talking about?
 
Old 11-07-2014, 12:31 PM
 
Location: North America
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What roadblock are you talking about?
The one where you disagreed with him .
 
Old 11-07-2014, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Never has so much attention been paid to such a small segment of the population.

Frankly, I'm getting sick of hearing about "gay" this and "gay" that. I have no problem with people loving and making love to whomever they want, but seriously - this is WAY out of hand. Every third news story is about something related to the cause, and the gay population grossly overrepresented in television and the movies.

Marry who you want. Does it really matter if the government recognizes the marriage and gives you that piece of paper? Is your love dependent on getting that permission slip? If so, you need a lot more help than the passage of a law can provide.
 
Old 11-07-2014, 12:37 PM
 
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Originally Posted by BentBow View Post
Exactly, and we go back to is it defined as a right, granted by our creator, or a privilege granted by kings?

It never ends.
I argue natural common law, creates our rights and you place statutory law on it to make it a privilege.
I suppose you can buy an island somewhere and live by your natural common law, whatever that is. Meanwhile, you're stuck with government placing limits on what usually are called rights.
 
Old 11-07-2014, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Rights are granted by society, not a creator. We live in a secular society, not a theocracy. Regardless if you believe in a deity or not, they are a non factor in this debate.
Yes and the societies of several states, in fact the majority of them, say marriage is between a man and a woman. It's not for judges to over rule them based on laws written 150 years ago for entirely different purposes.
 
Old 11-07-2014, 12:42 PM
 
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Never has so much attention been paid to such a small segment of the population.

Frankly, I'm getting sick of hearing about "gay" this and "gay" that. I have no problem with people loving and making love to whomever they want, but seriously - this is WAY out of hand. Every third news story is about something related to the cause, and the gay population grossly overrepresented in television and the movies.

Marry who you want.

Does it really matter if the government recognizes the marriage and gives you that piece of paper? Is your love dependent on getting that permission slip?

If so, you need a lot more help than the passage of a law can provide.
Of course government recognition of marriage matters.

If it didn't matter, why would non-gay people bother getting that piece of paper ?
 
Old 11-07-2014, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Seymour, CT
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Never has so much attention been paid to such a small segment of the population.

Frankly, I'm getting sick of hearing about "gay" this and "gay" that. I have no problem with people loving and making love to whomever they want, but seriously - this is WAY out of hand. Every third news story is about something related to the cause, and the gay population grossly overrepresented in television and the movies.

Marry who you want. Does it really matter if the government recognizes the marriage and gives you that piece of paper? Is your love dependent on getting that permission slip? If so, you need a lot more help than the passage of a law can provide.
It is those who fight it that cause the "gay movement" to speak louder. These are rights that should be afforded to everyone regardless of one's sexual orientation. Those who fight it, cause the uproar.
 
Old 11-07-2014, 12:43 PM
 
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Marry who you want. Does it really matter if the government recognizes the marriage and gives you that piece of paper? Is your love dependent on getting that permission slip? If so, you need a lot more help than the passage of a law can provide.
Since that piece of paper confers a slew of substantive legal rights, yes, it very much matters to many gay people.

My best friend married a Czech man in 2007 in a beautiful private ceremony. He was prevented for years from obtaining a spousal immigration visa for his husband because of his sexual orientation (were he straight, it would have been no problem). It was tremendous strain on him. To be with his husband, they had to shuttle back and forth between the two countries for years on various temporary visas - it wrecked his ability to have a career for about 6 years.
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