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Old 12-03-2014, 02:00 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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I thought the Ferguson verdict was the right one but this...this I don't understand. Maybe there will be some info forthcoming that will change my mind, but I don't see how holding an unarmed guy in a banned choke hold long past the point of threat until he dies is justifiable.

 
Old 12-03-2014, 02:01 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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sad--- the choke holds have killed more than one now, maybe that practice needs to change, I don't know
 
Old 12-03-2014, 02:01 PM
 
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Officers doing things their own police department bans results in an orderly society??
That's a non sequitur. If the perpetrator had complied with police orders in the first place, he wouldn't have found himself being forced to the ground.
 
Old 12-03-2014, 02:01 PM
 
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as he probably should. What is so hard to understand about not following the law? i don't care who it is or what it is... This is particularly true when there is so much tention between the police and the guy on the street.
Oh really? You think that cop should get off that killed that 12 year old? Did you even SEE the video? Here, take a look. Maybe then you'll realize how absurd your post is.

Tamir Rice: police release video of 12-year-old's fatal shooting
 
Old 12-03-2014, 02:01 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Maybe his weight did contribute, but if he wasn't put in an illegal, unlawful, excessive choke hold, he'd be fine.
If I remember correctly, he was even telling the cop that he couldn't breathe.
 
Old 12-03-2014, 02:02 PM
 
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Reminder: The guy who filmed Eric Garner's death has been indicted on gun charges. But not the cop who killed him.

Despite his testimony, grand jury indicted Ramsey Orta, chokehold filmer, on gun charge: prosecutor (with video) | SILive.com
STATEN ISLAND, N.Y. -- Despite his contention of a frame-up, Ramsey Orta's testimony didn't sway a grand jury, which indicted him on weapon charges, stemming from an Aug. 2 arrest, it was revealed in court Friday.

Orta, 22, who filmed an NYPD officer's fatal chokehold of Eric Garner last month, pleaded not guilty at his arraignment in state Supreme Court, St. George.
 
Old 12-03-2014, 02:02 PM
 
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Talk about biased reporting!

"Unarmed black," the universal battle cry of Leftist rabble rousers (a.k.a. "community organizers").

If the perp is black, he's automatically innocent of any wrong doing. And though he may (as in the case of Michael Brown) outweigh the police officer by many pounds, and be exceptionally strong, and able to overwhelm an officer with his strength, and the power of his fists (as in the Ferguson case), he is labeled as "unarmed" every time he is mentioned in any report. This is on purpose, for emotional effect. But fists and overwhelming strength can be deadly (recall George Zimmerman vs. street fighter, Travon Martin, an expert in MMA).

In the case of Michael Brown, and perhaps also this case, these perps killed themselves, by failing to cooperate with demands by the police to stop. They each defied authority, and as a result they ended up dead. How foolish.

Their own damn fault! "Live by the sword, die by the sword." Thugs will ultimately pay with their lives.

We hire police to protect us from these worthless pieces of human debris. Then when they do their job, if the perp is a black man, we crucify those we hired to protect us.

If the perp is black, we expect an indictment. Facts, and the rule of law, don't matter. A grand jury isn't supposed to find the truth. They are expected to do what the people on the street demand. Justice isn't supposed to be blind, especially not color blind. Blacks must be allowed their retaliation for their ancestor's enslavement. It is their turn to be racists.
Yes. Unarmed DOES in fact mean something.

And please. My mother lived under laws designed to disenfranchise blacks. Laws. Laws thought up, passed, and enforced by white people. Not all, but enough to get it passed and enforced. You hardly have to go all the way back to slavery.

The idea that oh well we've, a few decades ago, stopped making this treatment legal, suddenly removes the bias is ridiculous.
 
Old 12-03-2014, 02:02 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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When confronted by the police:

1. Stay calm

2. Obey their orders

3. Be respectful

If you are innocent then you will have a day in court. You will also be alive.
That may be good advice, but even so it should not give cops the right to kill you even if you are not posing a direct lethal threat to them. And that's what this outcome seems to say...that if a cop doesn't like your attitude, he can kill you at will with impunity.
 
Old 12-03-2014, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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sad--- the choke holds have killed more than one now, maybe that practice needs to change, I don't know

It already has, didn't matter. This practice was banned in NYC in 1993
 
Old 12-03-2014, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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That's a non sequitur. If the perpetrator had complied with police orders in the first place, he wouldn't have found himself being forced to the ground.

How is it a non sequitur?? If the police officer followed policy, Garner wouldn't be dead.
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