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Old 12-26-2014, 10:11 AM
 
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So a man is unable to feel the same way about abortion as a woman does?

sure he can. however it is an outsiders view of what pregnancy really is and all that it entails. just like a woman can never truly understand thing that only a man experiences. we can imagine but you truly don't know.
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Old 12-26-2014, 10:15 AM
 
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sure he can. however it is an outsiders view of what pregnancy really is and all that it entails. just like a woman can never truly understand thing that only a man experiences. we can imagine but you truly don't know.
I don't really disagree with that in the large picture but the accusations were the person arguing against abortions only did so to control women.

Susan B Anthony was pro-life because she felt that abortion was a way for men to control women. I will grant that times are different now than they were then but there most certainly can be reasons to be against abortion other than control.
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Old 12-26-2014, 10:18 AM
 
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I don't really disagree with that in the large picture but the accusations were the person arguing against abortions only did so to control women.

Susan B Anthony was pro-life because she felt that abortion was a way for men to control women. I will grant that times are different now than they were then but there most certainly can be reasons to be against abortion other than control.

I have no problem with pro life folks who are against abortion because they feel the "life" should be protected and born. however when men (especially) want women to take a pregnancy to term because "they had sex and got pregnant" then it is about punishment for being sexual and not really about "protecting life"
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Old 12-26-2014, 10:20 AM
 
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I have no problem with pro life folks who are against abortion because they feel the "life" should be protected and born. however when men (especially) want women to take a pregnancy to term because "they had sex and got pregnant" then it is about punishment for being sexual and not really about "protecting life"
Sorry, fair enough. I agree.
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Old 12-26-2014, 10:26 AM
 
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I have no problem with pro life folks who are against abortion because they feel the "life" should be protected and born. however when men (especially) want women to take a pregnancy to term because "they had sex and got pregnant" then it is about punishment for being sexual and not really about "protecting life"
The purpose of sex is procreation. We may have sex for pleasure but that doesn't change that ultimate truth. Taking a pregnancy to term isn't punishment for sex, but an acceptance of the consequences of one's actions. Anytime a person, male or female has sex, he or she needs to understand that pregnancy is a possible outcome of the act. If he or she isn't prepared for the possibility of pregnancy, then sex should be out of the question.
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Old 12-26-2014, 10:31 AM
 
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The purpose of sex is procreation. We may have sex for pleasure but that doesn't change that ultimate truth. Taking a pregnancy to term isn't punishment for sex, but an acceptance of the consequences of one's actions. Anytime a person, male or female has sex, he or she needs to understand that pregnancy is a possible outcome of the act. If he or she isn't prepared for the possibility of pregnancy, then sex should be out of the question.
a matter of opinion that sex is for procreation in this day and age. what about the people who never want children and do what they can to avoid it and then get pregnant? an no people should not, not have sex on the outside chance they might get pregnant. taking a pregnancy to term if you don't want to is something no woman should have to do.

women have a choices just like a man. yes, even the ones who have unprotected sex like their male counterparts. the man can skip out on his "responsibilities" if that is what a woman chooses, she is free to do so. abortion is taking "responsibility"
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Old 12-26-2014, 10:34 AM
 
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The purpose of sex is procreation. We may have sex for pleasure but that doesn't change that ultimate truth. Taking a pregnancy to term isn't punishment for sex, but an acceptance of the consequences of one's actions. Anytime a person, male or female has sex, he or she needs to understand that pregnancy is a possible outcome of the act. If he or she isn't prepared for the possibility of pregnancy, then sex should be out of the question.
If the only purpose of sex was procreation the fertilization peaks would last all month long. A married couple can have sex and never get pregnant. Granted, it's not the B.C. I would promote but if it wasn't also for a way for two people to share something between them, all unprotected sex would lead to a pregnancy.

You don't believe it's possible for things to have been designed this way?
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Old 12-26-2014, 10:46 AM
 
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a matter of opinion that sex is for procreation in this day and age. what about the people who never want children and do what they can to avoid it and then get pregnant? an no people should not, not have sex on the outside chance they might get pregnant. taking a pregnancy to term if you don't want to is something no woman should have to do.

women have a choices just like a man. yes, even the ones who have unprotected sex like their male counterparts. the man can skip out on his "responsibilities" if that is what a woman chooses, she is free to do so. abortion is taking "responsibility"
Biologically, sex is for procreation. That's why sex leads to pregnancy. It's not a matter of opinion. If a person doesn't want to ever have children, then he or she should get sterilized. If someone wants to have sex but simply doesn't want to have children at that time in their life, he or she still needs to be prepared for a possible pregnancy. If a person has not thought about the repercussions of sex, then he or she is mentally immature and really shouldn't be having sex, but I recognize that many still will anyway.

It's a good idea to have your views about abortion worked out well before you engage in sexual activity. If you believe that your offspring are deserving of life and protection, then if you get pregnant you should be willing to take your child to term.
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Old 12-26-2014, 10:49 AM
 
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Biologically, sex is for procreation. That's why sex leads to pregnancy. It's not a matter of opinion. If a person doesn't want to ever have children, then he or she should get sterilized. If someone wants to have sex but simply doesn't want to have children at that time in their life, he or she still needs to be prepared for a possible pregnancy. If a person has not thought about the repercussions of sex, then he or she is mentally immature and really shouldn't be having sex, but I recognize that many still will anyway.

It's a good idea to have your views about abortion worked out well before you engage in sexual activity. If you believe that your offspring are deserving of life and protection, then if you get pregnant you should be willing to take your child to term.

I agree with this for both men and women. however as you said many do not and it is unrealistic to think unprotected sex, bc failure, rape and insect do not occur. in which case the woman does and should have a choice.
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Old 12-26-2014, 10:59 AM
 
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I agree with this for both men and women. however as you said many do not and it is unrealistic to think unprotected sex, bc failure, rape and insect do not occur. in which case the woman does and should have a choice.
The woman should have a choice. I just think many have an uniformed view of abortion and I reject the growing trend of equating a fetus to a parasite. A fetus is a person's offspring. It should be expected that a healthy minded person would want to protect his or her offspring, not do it harm or destroy it. Abortion should be seen as a last choice, but for too many, it's seen as a form of birth control.
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