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Old 01-17-2015, 01:39 PM
 
Location: NJ
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In the year 2015 maybe about 25% of all jobs pay at a rate that allows full time workers to get government benefits. Even if the current people who are working in these jobs get training and move out of the low wage workplace someone else will take their place. So the argument that low wage workers just need to get more skills and education to move up does not really help the situation. Face it, no matter who is working in these jobs at any time, a large number of jobs in America pay under $10 an hour. And these are the jobs that are growing in today's economy. If you want a job, these are the jobs the typical American can get. And they are not jobs for kids and senior citizens anymore. Lots of the folks working at McDonalds are bring up a family on that job's income.

So, who should pay for the government benefits for the 25% of households whose primary bread winner is making $8 an hour or less than $20K a year?

Is it the responsibility of the employers of low wage labor? Or every taxpayer? Or should we just eliminate things like Food Stamps, reduced lunches at school, Medicaid, government paid housing, etc. for people who work?

Remember, someone is going to be doing these low wage jobs regardless of the hopes and dreams of people in them today.
Yes, in a socialist state or Obama's America but not in America pre or post Obama.
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Old 01-17-2015, 02:12 PM
 
Location: mainland but born oahu
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There is no need for that, good topics. They need to downsize their lifestyle, or, if they choose, get 2nd jobs.
But responsibility for corporate american or employer is none? Please explain? If the US workers are producing at an all time record high(which should be the real measure of pay) and the employers profits are at an all time high? Then why the stagnant wages or lower wages? Is it because wages are being cut to maximise the bottomline and max profits to shareholders etc, Despite the fact that productivity and record profits for corporate employers are at an all time record.

Wouldnt common sense say that if employees are going to government programs to subsidise there income that the issue is that employers are padding there bottomline on there employees and the taxpayers backs and thus should be responsible?
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Old 01-17-2015, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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But responsibility for corporate american or employer is none? Please explain? If the US workers are producing at an all time record high(which should be the real measure of pay) and the employers profits are at an all time high? Then why the stagnant wages or lower wages? Is it because wages are being cut to maximise the bottomline and max profits to shareholders etc, Despite the fact that productivity and record profits for corporate employers are at an all time record.

Wouldnt common sense say that if employees are going to government programs to subsidise there income that the issue is that employers are padding there bottomline on there employees and the taxpayers backs and thus should be responsible?
Yeah..compared to what..days when it was 100% manual labor ?
Today there is automation and semi automation which changes the entire picture.
If anything the "value" of manual labor is decreasing as automation increases and replaces it.
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Old 01-17-2015, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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Raise the threshold for benefits and wages rise. Econ 101.


Hardly a good topic - every first year Econ grad student knows how and why it works. Get the government out and watch what happens.
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Old 01-17-2015, 02:20 PM
 
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Yeah..compared to what..days when it was 100% manual labor ?
Today there is automation and semi automation which changes the entire picture.
If anything the "value" of manual labor is decreasing as automation increases and replaces it.
Thats an excuse, productivity and profits go hand in hand. Automation and semi automation still doesn't changed that not only is the US workers producing more they are also working harder.
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Old 01-17-2015, 02:21 PM
 
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Instead of raising minimum wage, they should lower the cost of living.
Woohooo! Deflation for the win!
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Old 01-17-2015, 02:25 PM
 
Location: mainland but born oahu
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Raise the threshold for benefits and wages rise. Econ 101.


Hardly a good topic - every first year Econ grad student knows how and why it works. Get the government out and watch what happens.
Get the government out and we will all be buying food and goods at the corporate store and making .50 hr. Don't believe me? Look at where corporations have taken jobs out of the US and gone to other countries with almost not government regulations. See how employees are treated. Some it looks like sweat shops all over again.
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Old 01-17-2015, 02:29 PM
 
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I have had zero desire to manage minimum wage workers ever since I worked literally flipping burgers. But I have no marketable job skills and no money to go back to school to get those skills.
But if you did manage minimum wage fast food workers, like I did and countless others have, you would gained people skills and management experience for your next job.
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Old 01-17-2015, 02:34 PM
 
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Why hire a single mom with 4 kids to operate a cash register if you will penalize me for it?

Even with decent pay for a low skill entry opening she would qualify for food stamps.
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Old 01-17-2015, 02:35 PM
 
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For the third time, I am talking about the large number of American jobs paying under $10 an hour who creates a need for government welfare programs

Sounds like getting rid of the programs is the solution.
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