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He also mislead us into the Vietnam War because he feared tarnishing his image and appearing soft on COMMUNISM! , may he rot in his own little special circle of hell.
He will join a lot of other rotters, then. Millions more will join all of them in the Hot Place for years to come. There are still plenty of Americans who are terrified by the Communist menace, even though there are only 5 nations left who still follow the communist governmental doctrines any more. They too are gradually falling away from communism by degrees.
Communism was a social phenomenon that was completely of the 20th century. it began, rose, fell, and died within the 100 years of the 20th century.
He will join a lot of other rotters, then. Millions more will join all of them in the Hot Place for years to come. There are still plenty of Americans who are terrified by the Communist menace, even though there are only 5 nations left who still follow the communist governmental doctrines any more. They too are gradually falling away from communism by degrees.
Communism was a social phenomenon that was completely of the 20th century. it began, rose, fell, and died within the 100 years of the 20th century.
Communism is totalitarianism and takes away personal liberties and freedoms. That will never go away because if history taught us something is that history ALWAYS repeats itself......Communism will always exist but it will have different faces and names.......of course Americans who don't take their freedoms and liberties for granted are worried by the loss of personal liberties and freedom and what's going on outside of their bubble around the world. You think America is immune to this?
There are still millions of people in the world living under a totalitarian system with little to no liberties and personal freedoms.
...That alone wasn't going to work......JFK was more into the Truman doctrine of Korea than Eisenhower doctrine of not getting directly involved......that's not opinion but fact. JFK raised spending on defensewhen Eisenhower cut it back. JFK criticized the Eisenhower foreign policy of being weak on communism.
While the Eisenhower administration refused to intervene actively in Southeast Asia, key Democrats in Congress were critical of Republican hesitancy and Kennedy was in the forefront of the push to up the Cold War ante: “Vietnam represents the cornerstone of the Free World in Southeast Asia,†he declared in 1956, “the keystone to the arch, the finger in the d!ke.â€
Of course JFK increased the defense budget. We had the Berlin Crisis and the threat of nuclear war hanging over our heads. Here is how he wanted to spend the money:
The Eisenhower administration did send planes and advisors to aid the French in Indochina, as did President Truman, and Ike did prepare to launch an air strike (Operation Vulture) to relieve the French at Dien Bien Phu. The operation was cancelled, though, because it didn't have British support, and Ike was reluctant to involve American pilots or ground forces. I give him credit for that decision. Later this administration provided money, helicopters, and advisors to back President Diem.
On the surface, this President seemed bent on keeping American men and women out of foreign entanglements, although he did send the Marines into Lebanon in 1958, where one life was lost. (He also ordered my unit to the coast of Viet Nam in 1960, where we were supposed to cross into Laos to fight the Pathet Lao. He cancelled that operation, too, at the last minute.) What I have a problem with is his famous "falling domino" speech in 1954. While Eisenhower didn't originate the Domino Theory, he embraced it. Later, he warned JFK that Republicans in Congress would not tolerate any retreat in Southeast Asia.
I believe that President Eisenhower was a very strong link in the chain that got us involved in SEA.
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that's the goal and foreign policy of every administration during the cold war to Iraq. To train the country in their security and nation building. We have been doing that since WW 2.....what is your point?
That you've been continually overlooking the very fact that was Kennedy's intention.
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That alone wasn't going to work......JFK was more into the Truman doctrine of Korea than Eisenhower doctrine of not getting directly involved......that's not opinion but fact. JFK raised spending on defense when Eisenhower cut it back. JFK criticized the Eisenhower foreign policy of being weak on communism.
While the Eisenhower administration refused to intervene actively in Southeast Asia, key Democrats in Congress were critical of Republican hesitancy and Kennedy was in the forefront of the push to up the Cold War ante: “Vietnam represents the cornerstone of the Free World in Southeast Asia,†he declared in 1956, “the keystone to the arch, the finger in the d!ke.â€
Oh please! Your anti-Kennedy bias is duly noted but alleging "While the Eisenhower administration refused to intervene actively in Southeast Asia" is simply wrong, Kennedy did the same thing Eisenhower did, send advisors. THAT's not opinion, it's FACT.
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Who picked war hawk McNamara? JFK!!! that was his man....you think that was just coincidence or JFK picked his secretary of defense based on his own views on foreign policy and how to fight the cold war? .....why do you give JFK a pass?
What have I given him a pass on? I've stated several times he did THE SAME thing Eisenhower did. Why do YOU give Eisenhower a pass?
That you've been continually overlooking the very fact that was Kennedy's intention.
overlooking? I have stated that nation building and training countries for their security and against communist aggression has been the U.S. foreign policy since WW 2. What Kennedy said wasn't new at the time.
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Oh please! Your anti-Kennedy bias is duly noted but alleging "While the Eisenhower administration refused to intervene actively in Southeast Asia" is simply wrong, Kennedy did the same thing Eisenhower did, send advisors. THAT's not opinion, it's FACT.
now I'm anti-Kennedy because I state facts about the man and not this myth the left and media created after his death. ....LMAO!!!!
who said Eisenhower didn't send advisers to South Vietnam? Not me! .... I said American Advisers (lets call it for what it is, Military personnel) in South Vietnam went from around 500 under IKE to over 16,000 advisers by 1963 under JFK. Add to that, that JFK gave the order to assassinate South Vietnam's President Ngo Dinh Diem and raised defense spending and picked Robert McNamara as secretary of defense, a war hawk, shows that JFK did everything to build up the escalation for war.
those are the facts.
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What have I given him a pass on? I've stated several times he did THE SAME thing Eisenhower did. Why do YOU give Eisenhower a pass?
not exactly!......Eisenhower thought the military complex was too big and cut defense spending. JFK ran against that and raised defense spending when he took office. Do a little research on defense spending under Ike versus JFK.
when you go from 500 advisers to over 16,000 advisers in the border of North Vietnam and raise military spending and give the order to assassinate the President of South Vietnam, those actions will escalate tensions and result in chaos and war or you think by JFK assassinating Ngo Dinh Diem and raising American military personnel and military supplies to South Vietnam that was going to bring peace and stability in the country and the communists in the North would just find that ok and quit?
Eisenhower fixed Truman's mess in Korea why would he want to repeat the same mistakes as Truman in Vietnam????? ......Ike was a 5 star general in WW2 , JFK couldn't hold his jock in military strategy or foreign policy.
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President Kennedy met with Defense Secretary McNamara and Budget Director Bell to put the finishing touches on military budget revisions that are expected to dramatize the need for meeting "limited war" situations. Reversing a ten-year trend, the Administration will seek the first manpower increase since the Korean War. The President will ask Congress for up to $2,000,000,000 in new appropriations, with emphasis on ground weapons and airlift facilities for brush-fire warfare. (1:5) – March 26, 1961
Basically, JFK escalated the defense budget and manpower since the Korean War for the preparations for Vietnam. JFK went the opposite way of Ike. JFK was more hawkish than General Ike himself...lol
those are the facts about the liberal darling JFK and their making up of an image after his death that wasn't. That JFK wanted to get out of Vietnam and that's why he got killed.....pleaseeeeee!!!! JFK was waiting on re-election in 1964 to do in Vietnam exactly what Truman did in Korea that Ike had to fix.
Given his well documented penchant for literally waving his dong around and having an explosive temper, I am inclined to wonder if he was mentally ill.
I've always wondered if the vernacular term "Johnson" arose from LBJ. All quarters seem to agree that he had a penchant for self-exposure, and was proud of his endowment. The term was not popularized until he was off the scene, but I heard of auto mechanics using it not much after LBJ's era. Anybody know the etymology of this term?
Considering his reputedly mean spirited temperament and his escalation of one of the most pointlessly savage wars this century, you could make the case he was evil.
Most modern democrats since the early 20th century are/were inherently evil and totally against and destructive to the principles which America was founded on and freedom. Jfk was the only halfway decent one with some solid principles. You have to understand democrats are the original party of the south and slavery. It has all been twisted around.
The sad thing is people are buying all the liberal media propaganda as fact causing mass brainwash. These people are apparentenly incapable of sound logic. The democratic party is illogical to the core.
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, may he rot in his own little special circle of hell.
.... I said American Advisers (lets call it for what it is, Military personnel) in South Vietnam went from around 500 under IKE to over 16,000 advisers by 1963 under JFK. Add to that, that JFK gave the order to assassinate South Vietnam's President Ngo Dinh Diem and raised defense spending and picked Robert McNamara as secretary of defense, a war hawk, shows that JFK did everything to build up the escalation for war.
