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Old 01-30-2015, 07:42 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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The Keystone pipeline puts all the risk on Americans and all the profit to Canada. We would be total suckers to go for this!
Psssst, all the money being paid to built and operate the pipeline, and refine the oil will be Canadian money. This is not like money from a US company that was already in the country, it is foreign money that has never been taxed in the US before, it's billions in new money that will be added to our economy.
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Old 01-30-2015, 08:03 PM
 
Location: Southeast, where else?
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You have no idea about unions. They look out for the middle class.
If you believe that, you really should study unions. Unions live off your back and simply try to prevent erosion. As long as you pay the dues, they will tell you who is to blame. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson live off a similar system.

We no longer stick kids in mills. We haven't done that for 100 years. Kill the unions and you might have a chance at gainful employment, 365 days a year, year in, year out.

Unions are an antiquated notion.
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Old 01-31-2015, 12:55 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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The GOP likes to claim the Keystone Pipeline is a jobs bill, but on Tuesday they voted down an amendment that would actually provide American jobs. The amendment would require that only U.S. produced iron, steel and manufactured goods to be used for the pipeline construction, connection, operation and maintenance. The amendment failed on a 53-46 vote. Every Republican in the Senate except North Carolina Senator Richard Burr voted against it.

So much for an American jobs bill.
if you understood CONTRACTS and the COR process , you would understand that they CAN'T make it USA only steel, and still have a fair contracting bidding

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal...ion_Regulation


making it usa only steel, would be like giving a no-bid contract..... is that what liberals want???

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Old 01-31-2015, 07:47 AM
 
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If you believe that, you really should study unions. Unions live off your back and simply try to prevent erosion. As long as you pay the dues, they will tell you who is to blame. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson live off a similar system.

We no longer stick kids in mills. We haven't done that for 100 years. Kill the unions and you might have a chance at gainful employment, 365 days a year, year in, year out.

Unions are an antiquated notion.
Yeah, right; that's why the U.S. has such an addiction to 12 million or so undocumented CHEAP labourors.
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Old 01-31-2015, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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This is a payback for the Largest funders in the last election. It also is an advance payment for the 900 Mil. that the Koch brothers are offering.
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Old 01-31-2015, 10:29 AM
 
Location: West Hollywood
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The Republicans are not fighting US steel being used. They are fighting against a mandate that US steel be used. As usual, Democrats are trying to bloat legislation with all sorts of riders and amendments and Republicans are trying to keep things efficient and cost effective.
That's laughable. Republicans are the kings of pork.

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If you believe that, you really should study unions. Unions live off your back and simply try to prevent erosion. As long as you pay the dues, they will tell you who is to blame.
Unions protect employees from their employers and fight for better pay and benefits. There's a reason why America's middle class was it's largest and most prosperous then the highest percentage of workers were unionized. Undermining and ending unions leads to lower pay and reduced benefits. That's why rich people want to kill unions. They don't care about you, they care about their own bank accounts.

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Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson live off a similar system.
Why bring race into this?

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We no longer stick kids in mills. We haven't done that for 100 years. Kill the unions and you might have a chance at gainful employment, 365 days a year, year in, year out.

Unions are an antiquated notion.
We're already seeing what happens when you kill unions. It means worse jobs, fewer jobs, and the death of American manufacturing.
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Old 02-02-2015, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Southeast, where else?
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It doesn't matter. Directly it creates jobs. Indirectly it increases supply globally thus driving prices down domestically and perhaps abroad and that helps everyone as evidenced by the mere threat this will go through and the corresponding recent reaction by OPEC.

You original gripe was the steel not all coming from domestic suppliers. Now, it's a unionist rhetoric regarding the deal. You lose on both. Especially when one considers the economic damage the current administration has put on all of us huh? And before you defend unemployment, consider how false the numbers are based on those that have simply left the market entirely. College grads can't get a meaningful job nor the skilled unemployed but boy can we flood the borders with potential unskilled democrat votes.

And in spit of this, he wants to raise taxes. Amazing. I'm not the guy you should get your dander up about. Try him.

Please, the Keystone pipeline is a godsend. I just ish they would drill in your backyard too. Sure.

Update.....now the steelworkers want to strike....and the naysayers wonder why the bill was written the way it was JUST in case something like this came along......
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Old 02-02-2015, 07:39 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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The GOP likes to claim the Keystone Pipeline is a jobs bill, but on Tuesday they voted down an amendment that would actually provide American jobs. The amendment would require that only U.S. produced iron, steel and manufactured goods to be used for the pipeline construction, connection, operation and maintenance. The amendment failed on a 53-46 vote. Every Republican in the Senate except North Carolina Senator Richard Burr voted against it.

So much for an American jobs bill.
What is it that you don't understand about "Treaties"? If you don't mean to keep them then you don't make them. Since it would be contrary to the NAFTA treaty the US Senate decided to preserve a little tiny bit of trust the rest of the world still might have in the USA.
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Old 02-02-2015, 07:44 PM
 
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The GOP likes to claim the Keystone Pipeline is a jobs bill, but on Tuesday they voted down an amendment that would actually provide American jobs. The amendment would require that only U.S. produced iron, steel and manufactured goods to be used for the pipeline construction, connection, operation and maintenance. The amendment failed on a 53-46 vote. Every Republican in the Senate except North Carolina Senator Richard Burr voted against it.

So much for an American jobs bill.
Nice try....Your Post should read- Republicans vote down amendment to force Keystone pipeline to use most expensive union made steel.
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