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Old 01-29-2015, 02:53 PM
 
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Let's see...

The Keystone pipeline would use government force to take land from individuals whether they want to sell or not.

Create jobs overseas at the expense of American jobs.

And redistribute wealth TO the wealthy interests who have literally bought and paid for the GOP.



Sounds to me like a bill that will finally motivate them to pass something. Nothing motivates Republicans like hurting ordinary citizens in favor of corrupt billionaires.
The gov't is not TAKING ANY land. They are BUYING easements. Geesh!

turkey head, good name.
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Old 01-29-2015, 02:55 PM
 
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I guess the Koch's aren't all that into steel.
But, Buffet is into oil.
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Old 01-29-2015, 03:43 PM
 
Location: CO
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The gov't is not TAKING ANY land. They are BUYING easements. Geesh!

turkey head, good name.
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TransCanada Corp., the Canadian company behind the Keystone XL pipeline, filed eminent domain proceedings against an estimated 90 Nebraska landowners Tuesday to secure the right to build the controversial project across their property.
Since you're on about names - maybe Not Quick Enough?
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Old 01-29-2015, 03:49 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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But, Buffet is into oil.
Sure, but it is the Republicans who want to have the Keystone and are fighting US steel to being used. That suggests that the benefactors of the REPUBLICANS are not the steel interests. The Dems, who Buffet owns, want to use trains to move the oil or leave it in the ground. Get it?
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Old 01-29-2015, 08:25 PM
 
Location: West Hollywood
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We are already expanding our current refineries and have the capacity to refine more.

Eighteen projects scattered across the U.S. Gulf Coast, the Midwest and the Rocky Mountain region will help increase refining capacity by as much as 600,000 barrels a day, according to Aaron Brady, senior director of IHS in Cambridge, Mass.
U.S. Oil-Refineries Bulk Up - WSJ

By the time keystone is built we will be able to refine, use or export all the additional oil coming in, keeping prices low and growing the economy.
I can't read that article without subscribing to the Wall Street Journal, but our refining infrastructure is crumbling so our refining capacity can't match our extraction capacity. Adding more capacity without overhauling the entire system and adding the gunk from Canada will tax our refining capacity beyond it's breaking point. And again, you're completely ignoring the environmental concerns. How important are a few thousand temporary construction jobs when weighed against the health and safety of all Americans? If the tar sands oil ever spilled in the Gulf or near a drinking water supply it would not be possible to clean it up. The last oil spill in the Gulf destroyed most of the habitat there and the chemicals that were sprayed on the oil to make it sink are still causing health problems for locals. The tar sands oil would obliterate the Gulf completely and hundreds of thousands of Americans would lose their livelihoods.
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Old 01-29-2015, 10:32 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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The article the OP is referring to was in the Daily KOS. And the reason (If you read the article) that the Reps. voted NO was because of 2 Dem. amendments to the bill requiring that any of the oil shipped through the pipeline NOT BE EXPORTED and since this was not acceptable to the Reps., Al Franken -D added that the pipe MUST be made with American steel. Knowing that the bill wouldn't pass because of the "No export" clause, he added that to make it look like the Rep. were against using American products. So like the Dems to make false statements when things don't go their way. Of course the media sucks it all up and reprints it.
In other words, the Republicans want the Keystone pipeline to be built with imported materials and the oil to go to China?
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Old 01-29-2015, 11:09 PM
 
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The Keystone XL pipeline would only create about 30 jobs, allows a foreign company to seize American land against the wishes of local residents, would increase the price of gas in America by reducing refining capacity, pumps the dirtiest oil in the world into America to pollute our air and water without the resources in place to handle the gunk that comes out of tar sands oil, would use pipeline technology that's just as prone to leaking as 50 year old pipelines we're already spending tax dollars to maintain, and would have a bigger impact on our climate than any other energy project America could undertake at this time.
Non-sense its created more jobs in my area for what has been s completed. Do you know just now many welders alone it takes to lay that pipeline/hat is why the pipefitters and other unions supports it.Its created more jobs than that in my area for the southern part. In fact more than Obama's so called massive infrastructure 800 billion so called stimulus.
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Old 01-29-2015, 11:42 PM
 
Location: West Hollywood
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Non-sense its created more jobs in my area for what has been s completed. Do you know just now many welders alone it takes to lay that pipeline/hat is why the pipefitters and other unions supports it.
Those are temporary jobs. The KXL with only create about 30 permanent jobs.

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Its created more jobs than that in my area for the southern part. In fact more than Obama's so called massive infrastructure 800 billion so called stimulus.
Utter BS. The stimulus saved more than 6 millions jobs and is the primary reason the recessions didn't become a depression.
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Old 01-29-2015, 11:51 PM
 
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So do you see any infrastructure improvement worth 800 billion or jobs permanently created? These are free to taxpayers plus these people pay taxes on what they earn. So what jobs did it permanent save? those teachers and public employees that got laid-off two years later. It was supposed to create massive jobs on infrastructure;not go to special interest groups. 800 billion mostly wasted supposed to go to infrastructure and now they are saying nothing has been done in decades ; can't have it both ways.
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Old 01-30-2015, 12:45 AM
 
Location: West Hollywood
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So do you see any infrastructure improvement worth 800 billion or jobs permanently created? These are free to taxpayers plus these people pay taxes on what they earn. So what jobs did it permanent save? those teachers and public employees that got laid-off two years later. It was supposed to create massive jobs on infrastructure;not go to special interest groups. 800 billion mostly wasted supposed to go to infrastructure and now they are saying nothing has been done in decades ; can't have it both ways.
First of all, your grammar is atrocious. Second, is your Google broken?
Five myths about Obama's Stimulus
Third, the KXL isn't free. Like it or not man-made climate change is real and refining the tar sands oil is a huge deal for our global climate. The worse climate change becomes the more it costs you. Food costs more, weather events do more damage, droughts and wildfires are longer and more frequent, etc. Climate change is more expensive than war.
Fourth, Obama has been trying to get an actual infrastructure deal through Congress for years. The GOP has blocked it at every turn. Our infrastructure is crumbling but no one in the GOP and hardly anyone in the DNC seem to care.
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