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Old 01-30-2015, 09:12 AM
 
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Keystone pipeline is all about enriching insiders to sell Canadian oil to China
via the American Midwest because they don't want to go through the mountain ranges.
This is a trampling upon family property rights in the Midwest where farmers will be forced
to comply and have to sell/lease their land to the oil lobby - environmentalists and conservationists
are vehemently opposed.
More billions for the oil lobby and their puppets in the CONgress, while better, safer technologies
are thrown under the bus for another 50 years.
I support the President in vetoing this terrible bill for a pipeline that has no reason at all
to be built except to directly enrich the oil lobby further.
You can bet your bottom dollar that the price of oil will only RISE after the pipeline is built.
SCAM after SCAM rolls on - Republican party is NOT your friend.
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Old 01-30-2015, 10:55 AM
 
Location: West Hollywood
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The KXL isn't just about avoiding Canadian mountains. Canada doesn't want any more tar sands oil being refined in their country. They know how awful it is for the environment and have forced TransCanada into the KXL.
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Old 01-30-2015, 11:18 AM
 
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Sure, but it is the Republicans who want to have the Keystone and are fighting US steel to being used. That suggests that the benefactors of the REPUBLICANS are not the steel interests. The Dems, who Buffet owns, want to use trains to move the oil or leave it in the ground. Get it?
" want to use trains" Which has a major stake in.

Buffet is spending HIS money and the dems are OK with that and the Koch Bros. are spending THEIR money, and the dems are NOT OK with that.
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Old 01-30-2015, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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" want to use trains" Which has a major stake in.

Buffet is spending HIS money and the dems are OK with that and the Koch Bros. are spending THEIR money, and the dems are NOT OK with that.
Apparently enough people from both sides are benefiting as there is no effort whatsoever to clean up the corruption in US politics.
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Old 01-30-2015, 05:46 PM
 
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Sure, but it is the Republicans who want to have the Keystone and are fighting US steel to being used. That suggests that the benefactors of the REPUBLICANS are not the steel interests. The Dems, who Buffet owns, want to use trains to move the oil or leave it in the ground. Get it?
The Republicans are not fighting US steel being used. They are fighting against a mandate that US steel be used. As usual, Democrats are trying to bloat legislation with all sorts of riders and amendments and Republicans are trying to keep things efficient and cost effective.

It's just like sequestration. Sequestration was introduced by Democrats with the intention that it would fail and they could blame Republicans for it. Same deal here. You introduce something that makes for a nice sound bite but doesn't actually work well, and force your opponent into voting it down. This isn't Republicans being anti-America, this is Democrats playing politics instead of doing what is best for the nation.
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Old 01-30-2015, 05:59 PM
 
Location: Florida
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The GOP likes to claim the Keystone Pipeline is a jobs bill, but on Tuesday they voted down an amendment that would actually provide American jobs. The amendment would require that only U.S. produced iron, steel and manufactured goods to be used for the pipeline construction, connection, operation and maintenance. The amendment failed on a 53-46 vote. Every Republican in the Senate except North Carolina Senator Richard Burr voted against it.

So much for an American jobs bill.
Some jobs bill. It's all political bs.

"In the context of the U.S. economy, the impact is barely a ripple."

Will Keystone XL pipeline create 42,000 ‘new’ jobs? - The Washington Post
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Old 01-30-2015, 06:11 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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The Republicans are not fighting US steel being used. They are fighting against a mandate that US steel be used. As usual, Democrats are trying to bloat legislation with all sorts of riders and amendments and Republicans are trying to keep things efficient and cost effective.

It's just like sequestration. Sequestration was introduced by Democrats with the intention that it would fail and they could blame Republicans for it. Same deal here. You introduce something that makes for a nice sound bite but doesn't actually work well, and force your opponent into voting it down. This isn't Republicans being anti-America, this is Democrats playing politics instead of doing what is best for the nation.
Why are Republicans against US steel being mandated? It makes no sense except in the context of them being in the pockets of a foreign government. If it costs the Canucks more money, so what? The Chinese will just have to pay more for the oil. It means more jobs. It is a jobs bill, after all, right? It's a disgrace that a project to sell oil to China will be built with Chinese steel across the heartland of America.
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Old 01-30-2015, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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The Keystone pipeline puts all the risk on Americans and all the profit to Canada. We would be total suckers to go for this!
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Old 01-30-2015, 07:23 PM
 
Location: CO
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The Republicans are not fighting US steel being used. They are fighting against a mandate that US steel be used. As usual, Democrats are trying to bloat legislation with all sorts of riders and amendments and Republicans are trying to keep things efficient and cost effective.
Cost-effective for who? TransCanada? Who cares?

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It's just like sequestration. Sequestration was introduced by Democrats with the intention that it would fail and they could blame Republicans for it. Same deal here. You introduce something that makes for a nice sound bite but doesn't actually work well, and force your opponent into voting it down. This isn't Republicans being anti-America, this is Democrats playing politics instead of doing what is best for the nation.
Now that we're seeing lawsuits brought in Nebraska, you feel that what is BEST for the nation is allowing a foreign corporation to use eminent domain os US citizens. Ok.....

Hopefully we can one day thank Bush for Executive Order #13406.

You know - Protecting the Property Rights of the American People

I'll be curious to see if the cons conveniently forget this little gem.

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It is the policy of the United States to protect the rights of Americans to their private property,
including by limiting the taking of private property by the Federal Government to situations
in which the taking is for public use, with just compensation, and for the purpose of benefiting
the general public and not merely for the purpose of advancing the economic interest of
private parties to be given ownership or use of the property taken.
Most reports out of Nebraska smack of intimidation and low-ball offers.
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Old 01-30-2015, 07:35 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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So it's fine for a foreign company to use America to move their oil, and it's also fine that they outsource all the jobs while doing so because it would be cheaper for them. Seems like all you care about is the Canadian oil company's bottom line. To actually allow Americans to get something of value in return might cost them some profits, and heavens, we can't have that! They might not like us anymore!
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Why are Republicans against US steel being mandated? It makes no sense except in the context of them being in the pockets of a foreign government. If it costs the Canucks more money, so what?
Where does the federal government decide where a company can purchase raw materials or components? Should the senate demand all car US companies must only use US steel, US rubber, US engines and parts and only sell cars in the US?
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