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Old 01-22-2015, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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The GOP likes to claim the Keystone Pipeline is a jobs bill, but on Tuesday they voted down an amendment that would actually provide American jobs. The amendment would require that only U.S. produced iron, steel and manufactured goods to be used for the pipeline construction, connection, operation and maintenance. The amendment failed on a 53-46 vote. Every Republican in the Senate except North Carolina Senator Richard Burr voted against it.

So much for an American jobs bill.
You ever tried buying that size pipe in the US????? Hard to find and way to expensive!
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Old 01-22-2015, 05:20 PM
 
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Why should we bow down to the Canadians? Yes, we need their oil but I'm sure a lot of it will wind up in China.
It ain't Canada you're bowing to my friend as they do not own the companies buying the stuff as fast as it comes out of the ground.

Valero, ExxonMobile

Valero Looking at Rail, Barges to Ship Canadian Crude to Gulf - Bloomberg

Exxon's new oil-by-rail terminal in Canada gears up for U.S. shipments | Reuters

U.S. oil companies want to sell their crude overseas. Should we let them?
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Old 01-22-2015, 05:23 PM
 
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Oh - so you agree it is GETTING EXPORTED.

Thanks for taking the bait and clearing that up. Failure suits you.
As explained earlier ....it isn't Canada exporting it, but the same people buying it at first dibs and preferential pricing guaranteed by NAFTA to AMERICAN owned companies.
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Old 01-22-2015, 05:32 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Why should we care about Canadian jobs? And how is it hurting American jobs to demand that a pipeline--one that will transverse America and put the American environment at risk and grab American land from American landowners (to benefit a foreign company)--be at the very least built using American products?

The bottom line is that by rejecting this proposal, the GOP has shown that all their bluster about creating jobs for Americans is just a lot of lip service.
The bottom line is you don't care about quality or cost. All you care about is providing lip service.
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Old 01-22-2015, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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The article the OP is referring to was in the Daily KOS. And the reason (If you read the article) that the Reps. voted NO was because of 2 Dem. amendments to the bill requiring that any of the oil shipped through the pipeline NOT BE EXPORTED and since this was not acceptable to the Reps., Al Franken -D added that the pipe MUST be made with American steel. Knowing that the bill wouldn't pass because of the "No export" clause, he added that to make it look like the Rep. were against using American products. So like the Dems to make false statements when things don't go their way. Of course the media sucks it all up and reprints it.
For literally years we have been hearing "Drill, Baby, Drill!" as a proposal to make the United States independent of foreign oil. We also have heard complaints that there are not enough jobs, and one of the projects that has been touted to fix both of these is the Keystone Pipeline.

Why then, when faced with the opportunity to deal with both situations at once, would any elected so-called "representative" vote to sell the oil to foreign countries and against using American-made steel for the pipeline, which would create even more jobs? I am completely dumbfounded.

I worked in the steel industry and manufacturing for over 30 years. To buy any other product than domestic steel for a government job is patently unamerican, and I'll stand on John Boehner's and Mitch Mcconnell's desks and spit in their eyes and tell them that. Bastards.

BTW - You can get Chinese steel cheaply, but it will cost you more to do the NDT looking for inclusions and lamination than the steel cost to start with. unless, of course, you really don't give a tinker's damn about the pipe wall failing when put in service and dumping the oil on the ground.

Here is the article from Bloomberg:

Senate Republicans Block Keystone Export and Steel Amendments - Bloomberg

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Old 01-22-2015, 05:35 PM
 
Location: Texas
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So it's fine for a foreign company to use America to move their oil, and it's also fine that they outsource all the jobs while doing so because it would be cheaper for them. Seems like all you care about is the Canadian oil company's bottom line. To actually allow Americans to get something of value in return might cost them some profits, and heavens, we can't have that! They might not like us anymore!

Thanks for that clarification. You represent the GOP perfectly.

(And if delaying it would mean that it's no longer necessary, then why are we going ahead with it in the first place?)
Yes lets spend our money the way YOU want us too. Heaven forbid we the people get the best bang for the buck and have money left over to spend elsewhere which creates jobs since someone has to service those needs.
Waste your money if you want, quit wasting other Americans money.
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Old 01-22-2015, 05:41 PM
 
Location: NJ
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OP, I'm delighted we'll have to earn the business.
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Old 01-22-2015, 05:56 PM
 
Location: CO
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As explained earlier ....it isn't Canada exporting it, but the same people buying it at first dibs and preferential pricing guaranteed by NAFTA to AMERICAN owned companies.
Yes - I am fully aware that TransCanada is a pipeline company.

And no - I never suggested that the country of Canada was exporting oil.

Any proof of preferential pricing for NAFTA / USA companies on product that hasn't materialized through a pipeline that doesn't exist?
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Old 01-22-2015, 06:04 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Yes - I am fully aware that TransCanada is a pipeline company.

And no - I never suggested that the country of Canada was exporting oil.

Any proof of preferential pricing for NAFTA / USA companies on product that hasn't materialized through a pipeline that doesn't exist?
Hey! It could happen!
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Old 01-22-2015, 06:26 PM
 
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The GOP likes to claim the Keystone Pipeline is a jobs bill, but on Tuesday they voted down an amendment that would actually provide American jobs. The amendment would require that only U.S. produced iron, steel and manufactured goods to be used for the pipeline construction, connection, operation and maintenance. The amendment failed on a 53-46 vote. Every Republican in the Senate except North Carolina Senator Richard Burr voted against it.

So much for an American jobs bill.
There's no reason, ever, to do what you suggest.

If the union thugs you support are too lazy and unproductive to be competitive with elsewhere in the world, they deserve to starve.
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