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Old 03-16-2015, 09:26 AM
 
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Each employee should have the choice to join or not join (which includes any form of dues or fees).

If you are forced to join or pay, you have no choice. Some people prefer not allowing choice.
Who has ever been forced to join a union, ever? Name one person.

 
Old 03-16-2015, 09:44 AM
 
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The Average/mean and median concept hasn't changed since 2001 and 2006.

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Old 03-16-2015, 10:01 AM
 
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Who has ever been forced to join a union, ever? Name one person.
Any person who works for the state of Illinois.

If they don't officially join the union, they are forced to pay "fair share" - a fee paid to the union essentially making them unofficial members.

Read on the official Illinois site:

Union Dues and Fair Share FAQs

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You have thirty calendar days from your date of hire to decide whether you wish to join the union and pay dues or not join the union and pay Fair Share.
Wow, for someone who spends so much time talking about this issue, you don't really seem to know much about it.
 
Old 03-16-2015, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Any person who works for the state of Illinois.

If they don't officially join the union, they are forced to pay "fair share" - a fee paid to the union essentially making them unofficial members.

Read on the official Illinois site:

Union Dues and Fair Share FAQs

So what's so bad and wrong about paying your fair share to the union as long as it is working in bringing you higher pay and better benefits than an equivalent non union job? Or would you feel much happier quitting the union job, so you can work for less in a non unionized workplace?
 
Old 03-16-2015, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Each employee should have the choice to join or not join (which includes any form of dues or fees).

If you are forced to join or pay, you have no choice. Some people prefer not allowing choice.
If one is opposed to the existence of unions, why would someone be so wrong and foolish against one's self as to choose to work at a unionized workplace in the first place?
 
Old 03-16-2015, 11:27 AM
 
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So what's so bad and wrong about paying your fair share to the union as long as it is working in bringing you higher pay and better benefits than an equivalent non union job? Or would you feel much happier quitting the union job, so you can work for less in a non unionized workplace?
Can you prove anything you just said?

How do you know they get the same pay as someone who joins the union?

How do you know they would get less pay somewhere else?
 
Old 03-16-2015, 11:29 AM
 
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If one is opposed to the existence of unions, why would someone be so foolish as to choose to work at a unionized workplace in the first place?
Maybe they don't have the money to move, maybe they are new, just graduated HS....

There are many reasons....you think everyone can just "poof" quit their job and relocate like a fart in the wind...in the real world that's not always possible.
 
Old 03-16-2015, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Can you prove anything you just said?

How do you know they get the same pay as someone who joins the union?

How do you know they would get less pay somewhere else?
That's up to the person looking for a good paying job to find out. That's why I would advise being careful about taking a unionized job. First, make sure you get a good deal when compared to the same or similar non-unionized job you may be considering as well.
 
Old 03-16-2015, 11:40 AM
 
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Maybe they don't have the money to move, maybe they are new, just graduated HS....

There are many reasons....you think everyone can just "poof" quit their job and relocate like a fart in the wind...in the real world that's not always possible.
That's usually the conservative answer though, to similar situations: "Move somewhere where there are better jobs," or "Get some skills!"

Unions only represent about 10% of the total workforce, so the idea that someone can't find a job without being "forced" to join a union is pretty laughable.
 
Old 03-16-2015, 11:50 AM
 
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That's up to the person looking for a good paying job to find out. That's why I would advise being careful about taking a unionized job. First, make sure you get a good deal when compared to the same or similar non-unionized job you may be considering as well.
Yep, it's also called making yourself marketable....except that you have to also work if you get a non-union job....no dope smoking or drinking on lunch break....it'll get ya fired in the real world....
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