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"Average" means adding all the incomes and dividing by the number of earners. When you have a company CEO who earns 100s of millions by taking advantage of his employees who he pays barely minimum wage, you have a skewed statistic. Because of this, the "median" income is a better indicator.
It's more than lower pay in Right to Work states. It's also about lower quality of life issues. For instance, in the Right to Work state of Oklahoma it is ranked:
no. 46 for public health
no. 44 for employee health insurance coverage
no. 46 for best states for women
no. 48 for support of public education
no. 43 for teen pregnancy rate
no. 6 for having toothless residents
no. 4 for incarceration rate
no. 8 for death rate
no. 18 for occupational fatalities per capital(NOTE: Nearly all states above Oklahoma are also right to work states.)
It's more than lower pay in Right to Work states. It's also about lower quality of life issues. For instance, in the Right to Work state of Oklahoma it is ranked:
no. 46 for public health
no. 44 for employee health insurance coverage
no. 46 for best states for women
no. 48 for support of public education
no. 43 for teen pregnancy rate
no. 6 for having toothless residents
no. 4 for incarceration rate
no. 8 for death rate
no. 18 for occupational fatalities per capital(NOTE: Nearly all states above Oklahoma are also right to work states.)
That's good enough for starters.
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West Virginia received nearly the worst score in the U.S. for the health of its residents. The mortality rate was 10.5 deaths per 1,000 people, a higher rate than in all but two other state. Additionally, nearly 19% of the state’s population lived in poverty last year, well above a national poverty rate of 15.8%, and one of the highest rates nationwide. West Virginians were also the least likely to engage in politics, as less than 48% of eligible residents chose to vote last year, less than in any other state. While West Virginia’s homicide rate of 3.9 murders per 100,000 state residents was better than the homicide rate of many other states, it was still in the worst 20% of OECD regions.
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West Virginia
> Employment rate: 60.5% (the lowest)
> Household disposable income per capita: $25,199 (8th lowest) > Homicide rate: 3.9 per 100,000 (22nd lowest) > Voter turnout: 47.8% (the lowest)
WV, union state ranked 4th worst quality of life...
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New Mexico > Employment rate: 63.8% (7th lowest) > Household disposable income per capita: $25,183 (7th lowest) > Homicide rate: 6.7 per 100,000 (4th highest) > Voter turnout: 61.6% (19th lowest)
New Mexico is bigger than many European countries. Yet, its population hovers around just 2 million because it has large portions of virtually uninhabitable terrain. A low population density likely partly explains the state’s poor infrastructure. For example, only 54% of households had broadband Internet last year, less than in all but one other state. New Mexico residents were also not particularly wealthy, compared with other Americans. An average New Mexican had slightly more than $25,000 in disposable income in 2013, among the lowest in the country. And nearly 21% of the population lived in poverty that year, second only to Mississippi.
Or freedom to choose to be a freeloader and so when you got a grievance against the boss, you are entitled to free support from the union. Now that is a pretty damned good deal for the worker. Don't you quite strongly agree?
Freeloader? How is a person working for an employer being a freeloader?
Specifically which companies don't have HR officers where you can't file a complaint?
Where is it illegal to file a complaint with the EEOC or OSHA?
This idea that people have no redress without a union is complete and total NONSENSE. Saying the union can only help employes is a LIE.
Back in the day before OSHA, EEOC, etc, there was absolutely a need for unions and unions severed a very important role for most citizens.
Today, anyone saying a union is necessary might as well be claiming that a horse and buggy is necessary. In rare instances they might be, but not for the vast majority of people.
WV, union state ranked 4th worst quality of life...
Shazam.
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Originally Posted by StillwaterTownie
It's more than lower pay in Right to Work states. It's also about lower quality of life issues. For instance, in the Right to Work state of Oklahoma it is ranked:
no. 46 for public health
no. 44 for employee health insurance coverage
no. 46 for best states for women
no. 48 for support of public education
no. 43 for teen pregnancy rate
no. 6 for having toothless residents
no. 4 for incarceration rate
no. 8 for death rate
no. 18 for occupational fatalities per capital(NOTE: Nearly all states above Oklahoma are also right to work states.)
That's good enough for starters.
If one is a Göbbels worshiper, I suppose it's good enough.
You live in a federal republic, so your data is meaningless.
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Originally Posted by jojajn
"Average" means adding all the incomes and dividing by the number of earners. When you have a company CEO who earns 100s of millions by taking advantage of his employees who he pays barely minimum wage, you have a skewed statistic. Because of this, the "median" income is a better indicator.
Publicly traded corporations are 3% of all US Businesses.
What is the average CEO pay for the other 97% that are not publicly traded corporations?
Oh, that's right....you cannot answer that question, since the CEOs salaries of private corporations, LLC, LLPs, LPs and such are not a matter of public record, and the 97% of US Businesses that are not publicly traded corporations do not file Q10s with the SEC.
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Originally Posted by ChiGeekGuest
What a mess!
Your unconditional surrender is accepted.
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Originally Posted by ChiGeekGuest
Although I prob should cut Mircea some slack? He seems a tad emotionally overwrought.
You probably should respond to the garbage you posted and I totally refuted.
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I think you've violated forum rules by attributing quotes from the link to me personally. I'd appreciate it if you'd correct this. Thanks & respect.
You've managed to make 3 posts, yet haven't addressed a single point I made.
A 1,000 pardons if and only if you did not write the article.
How do we know you did not right that article for Liberalturdia?
If you don't support the crap you posted, why didn't you preface that crap with a comment so stating?
I prefaced my remarks by stating I'm not a Libertarian.
I could never be a Libertarian, but I do enjoy mocking them. Libertarians get the MostDisappointing Political Party In The History Of The Universe Award for having done not one goddam thing ever.
Seriously, they promised the Moon, yet have managed to do absolutely nothing very slowly.
Even so, it's not in my nature to allow any person or group to be wrongfully and deceitfully maligned with a pack of lies and misrepresentations.
See if you can at least formulate a cogent response to this....
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.. Pitfalls of LibertarianismEdit
Libertarians tend to be supporters of unchecked corporate power,...
Corporations are only 3% of all US businesses.
Corporate power is derived directly from government, and corporations are dependent upon government for their existence...
no government = no corporations
small government with limited powers = small corporations with limited powers
big government with broad unchecked powers = big corporations with broad unchecked powers
No doubt the blithering idiot who wrote the article is oblivious to Entity Theory.
Victoriously...
Seeing how most union members in Wisconsin are downtrodden government workers and bureaucrats we must fight so someday we can be as progressive as People Citizens of Chicago! Wave that banner of the hammer and sickle high and proud comrade proletariat!
The answer is easy to this shortfall. All we have to do is divide up the $37.3 billion among the cities thriving population of 1,395,598 and collect $26,726.89 in property taxes from every man, woman and child not living in poverty in our great and glorious city.
For a family of four that is only $106,907.56 but we can spread that out over a ten year period adding only $10,690.76 every year to their average family of four city property tax. This is simply the cost of living in a democrat city of progress.
with an median home value of $234,900 Peoples of Illinois already pay average 2.28 percent of a home’s value or an average property tax of only $5,355.72 and all we need do is increase that to $16,045.73 for a monthly charge of $1,337.14 and in ten short years the city pension will be fully funded!
Obviously, Mircea, you, too, quite passionately don't believe in the principles of democracy.
No kidding.
Democracy does not trump the 1st Amendment.
I'm a Platonic Conservative:
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Every form of government tends to perish by excess of its basic principle.
Aristocracy ruins itself by limiting too narrowly the circle within which power is confined; oligarchy ruins itself by the incautious scramble for immediate wealth. In either case the end is revolution. When revolution comes it may seem to arise from little causes and petty whims; but though it may spring from slight occasions it is the precipitate result of grave and accumulated wrongs; when a body is weakened by neglected ills, the merest exposure may bring serious disease. "Then democracy comes: the poor overcome their opponents, slaughtering some and banishing the rest; and give to the people an equal share of freedom and power".
But even democracy ruins itself by excess–of democracy.
Its basic principle is the equal right of all to hold office and determine public policy. This is at first glance a delightful arrangement; it becomes disastrous because the people are not properly equipped by education to select the best rulers and the wisest courses. "As to the people they have no understanding, and only repeat what their rulers are pleased to tell them" (Protagoras, 317); to get a doctrine accepted or rejected it is only necessary to have it praised or ridiculed in a popular play (a hit, no doubt, at Aristophanes, whose comedies attacked almost every new idea). Mob-rule is a rough sea for the ship of state to ride; every wind of oratory stirs up the waters and deflects the course. The upshot of such a democracy is tyranny or autocracy; the crowd so loves flattery, it is so "hungry for honey," that at last the wiliest and most unscrupulous flatterer, calling himself the "protector of the people" rises to supreme power.
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Originally Posted by StillwaterTownie
Unions in states without Right to Work were never welcomed in a workplace, unless the majority of the workers agreed through a majority vote that it was right for them to allow a union to come in there and deduct money from every worker paycheck, whether they wished to become union members, or not.
Uh-huh....and the workers are qualified to make such decisions?
The information presented was truthful and accurate, without fallacies?
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1995: LG gains a 58 percent controlling stake in Zenith by buying $351 million in stock.
Nov 14, 1999 - What's an American industrial icon worth? Try 200 million bucks. That's what LG Electronics paid when it acquired Zenith in a bankruptcy.
Why do all of you union pukes keep ignoring that?
Should a union worker take a non-union job in White Plains (NJ) for $100,000 or a non-union job in Norman, Oklahoma for $72,000?
Spoiler
$72,000 is more money than $100,000
Only a union worker would ask how that is possible.
Or freedom to choose to be a freeloader and so when you got a grievance against the boss, you are entitled to free support from the union. Now that is a pretty damned good deal for the worker. Don't you quite strongly agree?
This is what is baffling; right-wingers usually rail against freeloaders and those who don't pay their fair share, but in this case they support that. Almost like the only goal is GOP power.
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