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Old 03-09-2015, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Carmichael, CA
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Any immigration reform bill needs to start with the words "secure the border."

The President won't sign any bill that focuses on securing the border.

So what do you expect to happen?

 
Old 03-09-2015, 01:09 PM
 
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Any immigration reform bill needs to start with the words "secure the border."

The President won't sign any bill that focuses on securing the border.

So what do you expect to happen?
Any amnesty cloaked under the guise of "reform" should not hold our border security hostage anyway. We should be securing them without blackmail to do so.
 
Old 03-09-2015, 01:12 PM
 
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Once again, why is any reform needed?
 
Old 03-09-2015, 01:14 PM
 
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Any immigration reform bill needs to start with the words "secure the border."

The President won't sign any bill that focuses on securing the border.
How do you know that unless you actually write a bill?

So that's the plan for the next two years? Don't pass anything because the president might veto it? And yet, the House never stops passing bills to kill the ACA, even though they know the president would never sign any such bill that actually made it to his desk.

Lots of excuses here for why the Republicans campaigned on the the promise of tackling immigration reform last fall and now intend to do nothing about it.

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So what do you expect to happen?
Well, actually, this is exactly what I expected. But I bet it's not what the rank and file Republicans expected.
 
Old 03-09-2015, 01:14 PM
 
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Disenfranchise illegals? Did you just admit that illegals are voting in this country?
All illegals vote in the US. They are undocumented Americans after all.
 
Old 03-09-2015, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Any immigration reform bill needs to start with the words "secure the border."

The President won't sign any bill that focuses on securing the border.

So what do you expect to happen?
Obama has said he would sign the bipartisan Senate bill which was passed by the Senate almost 2 years ago.

The first priority of the bipartisan Senate bill is securing the border, completing 700 miles od fencing, hiring 20,000 incremental border agents to bring the border patrol to more than $ 38,000 and adding new technology.

The House has chosen to protect themselves and has not put it to a vote.
 
Old 03-09-2015, 02:03 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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"When the GOP-controlled Senate bent to Democratic demands to fund the Department of Homeland Security, effectively undercutting conservatives who were willing to allow the agency to shut down until Obama backed down, there was talk of Senate GOP leaders returning to the immigration issue to find new ways to thwart Obama’s orders. But few within the GOP expect any kind of immigration debate in the Senate in the foreseeable future."

Immigration reform looks dead in this Congress - Burgess Everett and Seung Min Kim - POLITICO

Just as suspected, there will be no immigration reform forthcoming from this Republican Congress. They are all talk, but when it comes right down to it, they lack the courage to attempt to disenfranchise the fastest growing segment of the electorate. The Tea Party has been had again by the establishment GOP.
I would question the loyalty to this Country of this "fastest growing segment" then.
 
Old 03-09-2015, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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First off there is NO reform at all in that bill passed by the Senate.

It's amnesty for the illegals, increase in H1-B quotas and a new Visa for no skilled workers to come here.
Mandatory E- Verify and increased penalties for offending employers is reform. So long as US employers continue to hire undocumented workers, they will come. No fence is high enough nor troops deep enough.

Nothing precludes a state, any state from independently enacting e-verify. Yet most have not done so.
Why is this?
 
Old 03-09-2015, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Doing nothing has resulted in a 29 year de facto amnesty. That's no accident.
 
Old 03-09-2015, 02:37 PM
 
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Mandatory E- Verify and increased penalties for offending employers is reform. So long as US employers continue to hire undocumented workers, they will come. No fence is high enough nor troops deep enough.

Nothing precludes a state, any state from independently enacting e-verify. Yet most have not done so.
Why is this?
I admit I'm not up on the law here but I don't think this is the case as far as enforcement goes. When states have acted to enforce immigration laws the fed steps in and threatens them with prosecution or law suits.
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